TN8Man
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The solar panels become flying guillotines and create toxic environmental hazards.
Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation
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LD1
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We loose far more farmland every year due to city people moving to the country because they want that "quite rural life". Occupying their 5-10 acre yards each that are no longer farmed.
Heck there are still areas/fields around me that arent farmed and are in CRP (government paying someone NOT to farm).
Loosing farm ground due to solar is the LEAST credible argument IMO
Heck there are still areas/fields around me that arent farmed and are in CRP (government paying someone NOT to farm).
Loosing farm ground due to solar is the LEAST credible argument IMO
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The companies who install cell towers, solar and wind generators could care less about the landscape, effects or property values. They care about making a profit which means least expense for returns. Once installed it's too late which is why pictures help show what it could be like.
Of course some could care less but most people don't want them which is why knowing alternative locations like industrial or commercial areas is important.
Before my Dad passed our local electric company wanted to but huge towers right through the middle of his farm. Basically they wanted to go point A to B and drew a line on a map. I protested, Dad ran the guys off, in the end they chose a different route along existing RR track line which worked.
Of course some could care less but most people don't want them which is why knowing alternative locations like industrial or commercial areas is important.
Before my Dad passed our local electric company wanted to but huge towers right through the middle of his farm. Basically they wanted to go point A to B and drew a line on a map. I protested, Dad ran the guys off, in the end they chose a different route along existing RR track line which worked.
wawajake
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I get the impression that there is still many trillions of barrels of oil still in the ground, supposedly more than we have all used so far. So no not worried about my great grandkids .
sea2summit
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Compared to the other debris that a tornado would be throwing? That's really reaching.
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Glad you feel like you have say so over someone else's property. Individual property rights. If you don't want anything there, you should have bought the property. But, you didn't, and now are belly aching about what they are going to do with it. That's real American of you.
Mtsoxfan
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when it comes to solar, what are the alternatives to buying Chinese made products?
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Of initial investment.
riptides
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Around these parts the "losing valuable farm land" argument makes me cringe.
No one that I know of buys farms to farm. Most farmers are elderly and looking for a way out because even their family members have moved on to other occupations.
These land tracts that are up for solar development are mostly in the 50 to a couple of 100 acreage range. BUT, they are really close to existing grid infrastructures. A few may require a couple of towers, but it is not like they need to run miles and miles of wire or infrastructure to transmit.
The only thing they claim as benefits to the neighbors is maybe tax breaks. I doubt that will happen.
The only one that may benefit, is the current land owner.
No one that I know of buys farms to farm. Most farmers are elderly and looking for a way out because even their family members have moved on to other occupations.
These land tracts that are up for solar development are mostly in the 50 to a couple of 100 acreage range. BUT, they are really close to existing grid infrastructures. A few may require a couple of towers, but it is not like they need to run miles and miles of wire or infrastructure to transmit.
The only thing they claim as benefits to the neighbors is maybe tax breaks. I doubt that will happen.
The only one that may benefit, is the current land owner.
dmccarty
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I have seen some large solar installations in my area and state and they are ugly. No argument there.
One in my county is along a busy rural road that is slowly sprouting subdivisions. The land is not great for farming and once tobacco went away was pretty useless though they would try to grow some corn which I think was for tax purposes. A fence was put around the solar panel installation which looked worse than the panels. They put up one of those chained link fences with green slats inserted in the fence. Really is ugly and I am not picky about such things. If a row of shrubs had been planted, eventually, no one would know that installation was there but that ugly fence just draws the eye.
Wind mills are problematic from a visual and sound perspective. They can make noise and the flickering affect that can happen is pretty bad. There is a move to put windmills miles out to see off of Cape Fear. People with beach property are not happy nor are fishermen. The government and windmill people are being iffy about the distance and height of the installations. It is simple math based on those two numbers if the windmills can be seen from shore but they are not nailing down those simple numbers. Can't imagine putting windmills off one of the most dangerous capes in the world and expect that to make money.
I have done the math for a solar power installation and it does not work out even with subsidies if one considers how much money one would make if the money was invested in the market vs spent on solar panels. Having said that, since the governments are removing reliable sources of power generation, and replacing with intermittent sources of power, with less generation capacity, blackouts are now in our future. We almost had them last December. Never in my life did we have to think about power outages due to lack of generation capability but it is our future due to government policies. So we might have to install solar and batteries to deal with blackouts. I designed our house so the roof pitch and alignment will maximize solar production but we could never afford the cost of installation, even with government subsidies.
One in my county is along a busy rural road that is slowly sprouting subdivisions. The land is not great for farming and once tobacco went away was pretty useless though they would try to grow some corn which I think was for tax purposes. A fence was put around the solar panel installation which looked worse than the panels. They put up one of those chained link fences with green slats inserted in the fence. Really is ugly and I am not picky about such things. If a row of shrubs had been planted, eventually, no one would know that installation was there but that ugly fence just draws the eye.
Wind mills are problematic from a visual and sound perspective. They can make noise and the flickering affect that can happen is pretty bad. There is a move to put windmills miles out to see off of Cape Fear. People with beach property are not happy nor are fishermen. The government and windmill people are being iffy about the distance and height of the installations. It is simple math based on those two numbers if the windmills can be seen from shore but they are not nailing down those simple numbers. Can't imagine putting windmills off one of the most dangerous capes in the world and expect that to make money.
I have done the math for a solar power installation and it does not work out even with subsidies if one considers how much money one would make if the money was invested in the market vs spent on solar panels. Having said that, since the governments are removing reliable sources of power generation, and replacing with intermittent sources of power, with less generation capacity, blackouts are now in our future. We almost had them last December. Never in my life did we have to think about power outages due to lack of generation capability but it is our future due to government policies. So we might have to install solar and batteries to deal with blackouts. I designed our house so the roof pitch and alignment will maximize solar production but we could never afford the cost of installation, even with government subsidies.
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