Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I'm not pro China and I'm not anti-American. Facts are facts. We pollute more than them on a per-person basis. Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living. That's the way it's always been.

"Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living." Yes...at our expense! Yea...BAD America! We need to clean up our act!

 

[bnold]

Too much made overseas. It’s costing us not only jobs, but generations of Americans are not learning the trades of manufacturing.
We can’t outsource such a high percentage of what we make.
It’s not just a matter of jobs, outsourcing and manufacturing. Its also a national security issue.

If the current administrations goals is to confiscate trillions from American taxpayers for “green“ energy while destroying the current energy sources, the least they could do is put plans in place to insure those trillions stay circulation HERE, not go to China, Europe or India.

Who wants millions of acres of American farmland covered in Chinese made solar panels or European made windmills, electrical systems and batteries? That’s an embarrassing disgrace

Sounds good, this is absolutely possible at the expense of our place in the world economy. The products become more expensive and the division of wealth becomes even greater.

We will build the same products here at a higher cost and they will only be available to US consumers as they will not sell at the higher cost on the world market.

Our economy becomes an island with the exception of the truly unique products and technology that we can offer that hasn’t been stolen and duplicated yet. In addition to other staple items with Ag and Oil etc…

I’m all for pro-American. I’m also pro-Realist and would like to see the solutions offered in lieu of just listening to the keyboard pouting. Realism shows the American way of life is highly dependent on China and the same goes the other way.

Really the only way it currently works is for us to offer products that nobody else has to offer (continued advances in technology despite how much the old fogeys want to keep things the way they were and go broke holding on to their horse and buggy ) to support our premium fabrication costs. And offering Ag/Oil type non-manufacturing products that we can manage to stay competitive on the world market.


Regarding your Chinese panel covered farmland.. Would you rather the generations owned farmland is retained and profitable, covered with Chinese panels OR the generations owed farmland is sold to Chinese companies for agricultural export purposes and maintain your view?

 

[RB5]

Well...since you're so pro-China, anti-America giving pollution statics per person (???) how about this: we import 1/2$trillion from China while exporting $158B to them. Since the US and China are roughly the same size yet over 4X the population. Following the "pollution per person logic", shouldn't WE be exporting 4X to China?
The solution is if the US taxed Chinese imports so that Made in USA was a better choice not only would it benefit us, the tax could be used helping pay down our debt. China also owes us a LOT ($.85T) and they mainly import electronics stealing our intellectual property.
All Americans are guilty of buying made in China because it's cheap...but it's going to bite us in the end.

I used to buy made in USA. Walmart was proudly made in USA for most products. That is how they built their business. The heirs of Sam Walton decided to manufacture products wherever they could to make things cheaper to get an edge on their competition. Target had to follow. Kmart is dead. I'm not even sure if any stores exist. I'm sure some other companies likely folded or got smaller. The momentum had already shifted to cheaper and cheaper when this occurred. Bill Clinton helped allow China to get favored nation trading status. It was like inviting a thief to live in your house. Now I still buy made in USA when I have a choice. I don't always have a choice. Sometimes the Chinese made stuff breaks right after I open the package or is broken before I open it. Other times it works and seems ok. Do I want a communist dictatorship that trains their people to live for and worship the state manufacturing all of the things we use and need? No. Do I want them to own or control any land or businesses in our country? No. The problem is we were sold out by our own government, and there is not much that can be done about it at this point. The previous adminsitration was at least starting to move in a better direction on trade. Most of the trade deals we make help other countries way more than they help us. All they want from us is our technology and access to our markets.

 

[bvanek]

Capitalism today only succeeds for large corporations who in turn control the government. When your government colludes with these global entities, that have an agenda to take down the US with a green energy hoax, then individual and often selective "facts" mean little. Poorer nations won't get rich with bought out, often dictatorial leadership and an industry controlled by China. They can only improve their standard of living if they use fossil fuels to get it started. (Just like all successful national economies have done in the past.) Independence from foreign intrusion will cement control back to their people. What are the odds?....... But they will have jobs assembling solar panels on a state run plantation.....soon to be taken away by robots. So who gets wealthy?

yup change is inevitable and socialism and state run economics will see to it. Most people don't look at the big picture until it hits them personally. I am an old guy who has a few modest assets that, for now, keeps me above the poverty line. I gained this through hard work and an opportunity provided in a constitutional government. I made mistakes but learned from them. I invest only as a hedge on inflation. Property has been my greatest physical asset. Something that is rapidly disappearing for the middle class due to dependence and a plantation like mentality. Working from pay check to paycheck doesn't get you too far and if you plan on government to provide a living for you, then sooner rather than later you will run out of other peoples money....32 trillion in debt. We have already run out.

So this land you seem to want to give to global corporations and China might be the very land that someone might get to own? Property value may be a whole lot more than just a monetary asset..... a hill full of solar panels? I like trees. Most of my land is forested with marketable timber. I Just worked harder to avoid the easier route. Again property can be a whole lot more than just something you make money from.

nothing wrong in my book with God, family, country.


on a lighter note; your battery is dead and the repair (replace) shop is over 7,000 miles away.

 

[ruffdog]

Regarding your Chinese panel covered farmland.. Would you rather the generations owned farmland is retained and profitable, covered with Chinese panels OR the generations owed farmland is sold to Chinese companies for agricultural export purposes and maintain your view?

That is a good question!

 

[bnold]

on a lighter note; your battery is dead and the repair (replace) shop is over 7,000 miles away.

not sure what this comment is.

 

[MossRoad]

"Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living." Yes...at our expense! Yea...BAD America! We need to clean up our act!

Did you read the links?

 

[Fixastuff]

Did you read the links?

Doesn't have to his cousin is a scientist.

 

[MossRoad]

Doesn't have to his cousin is a scientist.

Osmosis?

 

[Fixastuff]

Osmosis?

Come on! That only works if you sleep with a book under your head.