Tires Filling rear tires

[OrangeToys]

I dont see how, as most of the weight would be carried by the tire into the ground, not by the axle. Maybe just a very little that is above the axle line ? Is that the way you see it?

James K0UA

I think of it as adding larger tires to a truck. It doesn't wear on it very fast but it is still added stress. Maybe its different on a tractor though?

 

[20 20]

I don't think the weight would be that big a deal because it stays place on the ground. Kind of like a shaft spinning in water.

 

[Don87]

I think of it as adding larger tires to a truck. It doesn't wear on it very fast but it is still added stress. Maybe its different on a tractor though?

I don't understand your comparison.

KOua, and 20 20 said it best. When tires are liquid filled, the weight is directly on the ground, very little working weight added to axles.

Wheel weights IMHO, add extra stresses to the axles, as well as weight added to the 3pt. via a weight box or barrel.

 

[art]

Modern tractors are designed to run comfortably with liquid tire ballast, old school or not. What I have noticed is that dealers that don't 'believe' in liquid tire ballast are either not equipped to install it, or don't make enough off of it. There is no doubt that for most tractor tasks, some form of liquid ballast is beneficial. The debate rages as to which product is better, for my money it is rimguard. Most of your comment is a bit condescending...

Every one does things differently and I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings when I am talking about the industry trends that I see. The movement is away from the liquid ballast. I remember when every tractor we sold had loaded tires and that was the way that it was thirty years ago where today many that even are loader equipped are going out without liquid ballast.
The applications of compact tractors is some what different then ag tractors but they are the same in many ways. We have been able to apply what we have learned with the bigger higher hours of use ag tractors for our customers of compacts and have found the cost of ownership has been reduced.

 

[ljohnson778]

Every one does things differently and I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings when I am talking about the industry trends that I see. The movement is away from the liquid ballast. I remember when every tractor we sold had loaded tires and that was the way that it was thirty years ago where today many that even are loader equipped are going out without liquid ballast.
The applications of compact tractors is some what different then ag tractors but they are the same in many ways. We have been able to apply what we have learned with the bigger higher hours of use ag tractors for our customers of compacts and have found the cost of ownership has been reduced.

Thanks, that was well said. I know you've been in the industry a heck of a long time, so I won't debate industry trends with you, as you are clearly the expert. I will say that, in my personal experience, liquid ballast vs. no liquid ballast, regardless of wheel weights and rear ballast, the tractor with liquid ballast is clearly more stable. Dramatically so, in fact. Having run the same tractor both ways, I choose liquid ballast. Even if the aforementioned negatives exist, it would still be worth it to me.

 

[Don87]

Thanks, that was well said. I know you've been in the industry a heck of a long time, so I won't debate industry trends with you, as you are clearly the expert. I will say that, in my personal experience, liquid ballast vs. no liquid ballast, regardless of wheel weights and rear ballast, the tractor with liquid ballast is clearly more stable. Dramatically so, in fact. Having run the same tractor both ways, I choose liquid ballast. Even if the aforementioned negatives exist, it would still be worth it to me.

I'll agree with this statement completely.

When I first got my GC2400, the tires had only air, quite scary at times. After a week of use, I made a weight, using a 20 gallon barrel for on the back. Stability increased some, but the 'pucker factor' was still there.

I loaded the tires with Rimguard, and it was like someone dropped off a totally different tractor. The stability factor was totally transformed. I can load the fel and transport the load with it raised in the air( I only did this for test purposes), without the tractor tipping.

I did not try wheel weights because they are more expensive than rimguard, and I think they stress the tractor more.

 

[20 20]

The movement is away from the liquid ballast.

I wonder if it's because today there is more of a hobby farmer consumer instead of the way it use to be. Seems to me the middle man farmer is becoming a thing of the past, it's either a huge farm or a hobby farm. I know NY was the 3rd largest milk farming state not all that long ago, but I have seen many farms go under at a fast rate. Not sure where the state ranks now, and have to wonder if other states are noticing the same trend. Sorry for the ramble just trying to understand about the ballast not being as big a deal. I do realize machines are changing but lets not fool ourselfs they have not changed that much. Even if they have, wouldn't a machine with ballast still out perform one without?

 

[tiredguy]

Being you live in Michigan Rim Guard is much cheaper here than chloride most of the time so if I were you call a tire dealer and get er done. The company that makes it is in Wyoming ( south end of Grand Rapids ) so you also get the "Pure Michigan" effect too.

I recently was involved in getting some for a test that Firestone Tube Plant did to do comparitive tests and Rim Guard was the best as it caused no valve wash out ( chloride will corode and eat the inner part of the base and core up like it was sand blasted ) what so ever where others tested were similar but no wheres near as bad as chloride. It's bio degradable and stinks like pig ***** which is the only down side to it. Just be thankful you don't fix tires filled with it for a living LOL!

That's what I'm doing first thing Monday am for my B3030 after what I've went through moving deep wet heavy snow today, and that fact I tipped
mine over last fall and still haven't forgotten that "pucker factor" yet. I've filled and been around chloride for 40 years and wouldn't use it now if were
given to me for free. The only safe way is to use tubes for sure and unless you have a flat it probably will last you for 30 years as I've seen that as often as I've seen rusted out wheels because it's been around so long. I've got my 5 foot box blade on now which helps but nothing beats a ballasted tire when it comes to putting power to the ground when needed. Especially for the compact and subcompact tractors today.

Like Art said it's really not as common to use it today in larger farming operations because today choosing the correct tractor to do the job is critical to survival and most being 4WD or MF4WD in many cases filled tires will cause you problems that will not only drive you crazy but cost you lots of time and money trying to correct it. If you ever were in the seat of a big tractor that was experiencing "power hop" I can tell you from experience in
watching you'd never get me in the seat to experience it live.
Things change usually for the better over time, and I thank god everytime I start my Kubota that it doesn't have the hand wheel my old John Deere B had which was a major PITA always.
Tired

 

[rockshaft]

Do I understand that some say loaded tires are bad for backhoe use? Why is this?
I ordered my 1026R TLB with RimGuard equivalent, and I think it makes sense for me, because I won't be using it nearly as much *with* a hoe as *w/o*, and the tire weight will help with traction/stability (BH removed).

I'm no stranger to plugging tires- seems like a fair amount of debris on our property and nails on the road around my neck of the woods. That said, any special technique to a repair of a tire with beet juice? I assume getting the weight off the axle and the hole on top would be the priority, then I wonder if I could somehow rinse the puncture with warm water and patch as usual? Obviously any damage greater than an errant nail would require a more significant fix (tire off, draining and patching from the inside).

 

[Don87]

Do I understand that some say loaded tires are bad for backhoe use? Why is this?
I ordered my 1026R TLB with RimGuard equivalent, and I think it makes sense for me, because I won't be using it nearly as much *with* a hoe as *w/o*, and the tire weight will help with traction/stability (BH removed).

I'm no stranger to plugging tires- seems like a fair amount of debris on our property and nails on the road around my neck of the woods. That said, any special technique to a repair of a tire with beet juice? I assume getting the weight off the axle and the hole on top would be the priority, then I wonder if I could somehow rinse the puncture with warm water and patch as usual? Obviously any damage greater than an errant nail would require a more significant fix (tire off, draining and patching from the inside).

According to Rimguard, just plug the tire as you would any other.

Rimguard does recommend replacing rubber valve stems with metal ones. They claim the beet juice can eat away at the glue in rubber valve stems that hold the brass threads in.