thanks for the fast reply , to both of you. so called "lurking" was alright for a while so it seemed. But that has given me the chance to see that this site has a treasure trove of information and and tons of help and advice from the regular members. I have seen that this site is going to be here for the long haul and that the members are the friendliest bunch I have ever ran across.
My favorite forum topic is the build-it yourself group, a wide range of interests , ideas , and skill levels, not to be found anywhere else !
thanks.
Den1952