First electric tractor ride

[airbiscuit]

 

[Eagle1]

We are not the only game on this ball in space. What does it say when Asia as whole is building more coal plants so they can make solar panels and batteries for the west?

 

[MossRoad]

I copied it from another tractor forum. Hopefully it may make people think, things aren't all they seem.

Unfortunately, people don't think about things they see/read. They believe it when it comes from someone they think they know and trust.

The problem is especially insidious when someone knows something is a lie and keeps repeating it.

All of us have a duty to post truthful things, or at the very least, put a disclaimer at the top, like:

I know this isn't true, but found it humorous.

 

[Citydude]

Well not exactly........

In 2021, China began building 33 gigawatts of coal-based power generation, according to the Helsinki-based Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA). That is the most new coal-fired power capacity China has undertaken since 2016 and, says CREA, three times more than the rest of the world combined.Jun 28, 2022

They are building coal fired plants in Asia not just China

COP26 aims to banish coal. Asia is building hundreds of power plants to burn it

On the coastline near India's southern tip, workers toil on a pier carrying a conveyor belt that cuts a mile into the Indian Ocean where the azure waters are deep enough for ships to berth and unload huge cargoes of coal.

www.reuters.com

 

[MossRoad]

We are not the only game on this ball in space. What does it say when Asia as whole is building more coal plants so they can make solar panels and batteries for the west?

Some interesting statistics....

While China is the largest CO2 producer, followed by the U.S in 2nd place, China only produces 1/2 of the CO2 on a per-capita basis compared to the population of the U.S.

China is gonna have to ramp up CO2 pollution to double the level they are doing now to match the US on a per person basis.

We're still number one by a factor of 2 when it comes to CO2 output compared to China on a per-person basis.

USA!
USA!
USA!

In fact, there are 42 other countries that produce more CO2 on a per capita basis than China. There are only 15 more than the US.

And the majority of those countries that produce more CO2 than China are not in eastern Asia. They are in Europe, North America, and the Middle East.

That's out of a list of more than 200 countries, dependencies, and/or countries that are not self-governed.

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions per Capita for each Country in the world

www.worldometers.info

 

[bindian]

I know this is true, but found it humorous.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Unfortunately, people don't think about things they see/read. They believe it when it comes from someone they think they know and trust.

The problem is especially insidious when someone knows something is a lie and keeps repeating it.

All of us have a duty to post truthful things, or at the very least, put a disclaimer at the top, like:

I know this isn't true, but found it humorous.

Truth...okay...so this is how electricity is generated in my part of Virginia:
"Generating electricity requires superheated steam which is converted into mechanical energy via a turbine. AEP needs a lot of superheated steam and gets it by burning coal and natural gas, representing the fuel for 50% and 28% respectively of the firm’s total power production"
Source: American Electric Power
Therefore charging an EV either at home or charging station requires 78% coal+natural gas burning.
Nothing is 100% efficient (high school physics) so there are power distribution and end charging losses to be factored in.
So...a new EV (expensive to start with), factor in battery lifespan/replacement cost.
Factor in energy/power/pollution in manufacturing process, car+battery.
Now factor in that 78% coal+nat. gas burning plus transmission losses and again energy/power/pollution.
Go green! Go electric! Save the planet!
Reminds me of all the soccer mom mini vans packed with kids & "Save the Planet" stickers.
Your turn...except if you have an EV or contemplate buying one, it will be defended regardless. Me: I prefer choices, hate mandates, hate things forced upon me.

 

[Citydude]

If C02 is heavier than air, how did it get into the atmosphere?

 

[MossRoad]

The real truth here is that for nearly a century, the US has consumed the most natural resources per-capita than most other counties on earth.

Other people in other countries around the world have seen what we have, and want the same things for themselves. So they're gonna do the same things we did for the past century, and exploit the cheapest energy sources that they possibly can to achieve those goals.

 

[airbiscuit]

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Renewable energy in China​

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China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over triple the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.[1] China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity, and is expected to contribute 43 percent of global renewable capacity growth.[2] China's total renewable energy capacity exceeded 1,000GW in 2021, accounting for 43.5 per cent of the country's total power generation capacity, 10.2 percentage points higher than in 2015. The country aims to have 80 per cent of its total energy mix come from non-fossil fuel sources by 2060, and achieve a combined 1,200GW of solar and wind capacity by 2030.[2]

Although China currently has the world's largest installed capacity of hydro, solar and wind power, its energy needs are so large that in 2019, renewable sources provided 26% of its electricity generation[3]—compared to 17% in the U.S.A.[4]—with most of the remainder provided by coal power plants. In early 2020, renewable energy comprised about 40% of China's total installed electric power capacity, and 26% of total power generation. Nevertheless, the share of renewable sources in the energy mix had been gradually rising in recent years, and China has pledged to achieve carbon neutrality before 2060 and peak emissions before 2030.

China sees renewables as a source of energy security and not just only to reduce carbon emission.[5] China's Action Plan for the Prevention and Control of Air Pollution issued by China's State Council in September 2013, illustrates the government's desire to increase the share of renewables in China's energy mix.[6] Unlike oil, coal and gas, the supplies of which are finite and subject to geopolitical tensions, renewable energy systems can be built and used wherever there is sufficient water, wind, and sun.[7]