First electric tractor ride

[MossRoad]

Yep 96F bedrooms here too and emergency measures now in place as not all schools have A/C and office buildings closing.

Part of the plea is no appliance use or EV charging during peak

That's hot. You can't cool down at those temps.

 

[ultrarunner]

Plus the added burden conflict has on the eco system which seems to always take a back seat.

 

[ultrarunner]

That's hot. You can't cool down at those temps.

Only like warm showers… as tap running warm now.

Im a little better in that I have a partial basement that topped at 80 today… just can’t get mom over here as familiar surroundings of her home provide comfort.

I keep hearing the neighbors say this is it… we are getting central A/C which now most likely means heat pump verses gas packs..,

 

[ultrarunner]

Don’t say that but it is something I keep hearing among my older friends… sad

 

[Citydude]

We are responsible for our contributions to the problem, as we've been causing a disproportional portion for so long.

We're still pumping out twice as much per person as they are. That's the facts.

Well, take one for the team and sell your cars, tractor and shut your a.c. off.

 

[California]

That right there is why the rest of the world hopes the US fails. Arrogance.

No, your wrong. It's your arrogance that thinks the US is responsible for the climate.

American arrogance is irrelevant? Read about ***** Bin Laden! What radicalized that son of wealthy parents was resenting the effect the West had on his culture so he decided to do something about it. Che Guevara, educated as a doctor, similar. I know a friend here who loves Americans but refuses to move beyond a Green Card (10 year work permit, renewable) to full citizenship due to resentment of what the US had done interfering with the politics in his and neighboring countries.

There really are people out there, including leaders like Putin, Castro, Maduro, who would like to see the US taken down a notch. We can generally ignore them but we can't afford to be ignorant of what motivates them and what they are up to.

In general, things work better in issues where we have the respect of the world. 'Arrogance' is ignoring that aspect of world affairs.

 

[lman]

Well, take one for the team and sell your cars, tractor and shut your a.c. off.

Don't forget to shut down those fuel guzzling airports. Oh wait the rich and arrogant use airports so keep pumping that fuel into those jets.

 

[Torvy]

Again, distract from the facts. China produces 1/2 the CO2 than the US on a per person basis. Make light of it all you want.

The rest of the world sees us for what we are. We just don't like the label.

Moss, you seem to be a good person, but using per capita information on CO2 when discussing China is grossly misleading. Rural China is nearly pre-industrial. The only reason they use less per person is that there are 2 Chinas (not talking about Taiwan). Urban China uses almost all of the power and generates most of their pollution. As rural Chinese move further into the industrial age, it will get worse, not better. It is not as if the individuals in China are more green than Americans. It is simply a matter of inequality in an ostensibly egalitarian society.

That doesn't even get into the fallacy of CO2 in our closed environment. CO2 promotes plant growth, which, in turn, increases O2. CO2 also shields the planet from the sun, to a degree. The whole place is cyclical and the biggest factors by far are completely out of our control. This whole nonsense about climate change is an emerging religion. People vainly trying to make sense of their reality and convincing themselves they have some measure of control over that which they have none. These heating and cooling cycles existed before humans existed. Relax. The planet will be consumed by the sun, or hit by space debris, long before humans could destroy it. I consider this to be exactly on par with Heavens Gate or any other doomsday cult...except these idiots have a much broader reach.

 

[IndyJay]

Well not exactly........

In 2021, China began building 33 gigawatts of coal-based power generation, according to the Helsinki-based Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA). That is the most new coal-fired power capacity China has undertaken since 2016 and, says CREA, three times more than the rest of the world combined.Jun 28, 2022

Yes, there is now plenty of cheap coal for China as we reduce usage. The difference being we used scrubbers and other technology to reduce emmissions on coal fired plants, ironically spending a lot of money installing these controls, just before they got fully banned. So now we are using home heating fuel instead of coal to generate much of our electricity. China is moving more and more to "cheap" US coal.

 

[MossRoad]

Moss, you seem to be a good person, but using per capita information on CO2 when discussing China is grossly misleading. Rural China is nearly pre-industrial. The only reason they use less per person is that there are 2 Chinas (not talking about Taiwan). Urban China uses almost all of the power and generates most of their pollution. As rural Chinese move further into the industrial age, it will get worse, not better. It is not as if the individuals in China are more green than Americans. It is simply a matter of inequality in an ostensibly egalitarian society.

That doesn't even get into the fallacy of CO2 in our closed environment. CO2 promotes plant growth, which, in turn, increases O2. CO2 also shields the planet from the sun, to a degree. The whole place is cyclical and the biggest factors by far are completely out of our control. This whole nonsense about climate change is an emerging religion. People vainly trying to make sense of their reality and convincing themselves they have some measure of control over that which they have none. These heating and cooling cycles existed before humans existed. Relax. The planet will be consumed by the sun, or hit by space debris, long before humans could destroy it. I consider this to be exactly on par with Heavens Gate or any other doomsday cult...except these idiots have a much broader reach.

Look, I favor nuclear energy and drive a Suburban. I burn wood as primary heat for my home, with natural gas backup. I dislike wind farms. I like solar. Coal is a major polluter. So are oil based fuels. I dislike ethanol, as it's production is a terrible waste of BTUs. I love my 2-stroke engines.

So it's not like I'm actively trying to end our way of life, which I enjoy a lot. However, reality is that it is unsustainable. When I was born in 1961 there were just over 3 billion people on the planet. By the end of 2022, it's projected to hit 8 billion people.

8 billion people burning fossil fuels... it's gotta go somewhere. And it's unsustainable.