First tractor

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Thanks for the feedback and welcomes so far!
I agree on some of the above. JD wasn’t even on my radar I just remember my initial research led me to choosing them vs Kubota. Since then I’ve discovered how much further my dollar will go (for now) on one of the alternatives.
I have no brand loyalty. I don’t care the color. I just want something reliable that will work when I need.
I figure the heavier the better and it looks like I’m on the right path!
Also many thanks for the dealership/shopping suggestions.

I’ll look into the Mahindra unit as well
 
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I see that you are considering a tiller. I would highly recommend an HST tractor for this as is is so much easier to control your ground speed. Also, try to go with the "reverse" till style. It will do a lot better job of breaking up the ground and leaves smoother seed bed.
 
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Check out if you happen to have a Branson dealer close to you? They use Kukje engines (License made Cummins A-series) that is mechanical injection. TYM T264 uses a 3 cyl IDI same as Bransons.
 
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I’ve never owned a tractor before.

We are looking for something to help us with developing and maintaining 20 acre homestead

Am I being unrealistic in the expectations of a 25hp tractor on 20 acres? The land is flat.


What is your altitude? 25-horsepower at sea level is not 25-horsepower at 5,000 feet altitude.

I usually recommend more weight and more horsepower for twenty acres, but you have said you have plenty of time.

Selling a used tractor is easy. Selling multiple light implements in order to buy heavier, wider implements for a new, heavier tractor requires a lot of time. Depreciation on implements is worse than depreciation on a tractor.

Will all twenty acres be actively worked with your tractor?

primary uses would be post hole digging, light road cutting, garden prep, pallet lifting of up to roughly 36” high to load onto my trailer, ground cleanup, building dirt bike trails and jumps, etc.
so id likely mostly use a loader, forks, backhoe, rake, blade, post hole and maybe a tiller.


A <26-horsepower tractor can accomplish all your specified tasks, including roto-tilling.

I think a digging toothbar attached to your FEL bucket would eliminate the need for a $5,000 backhoe. A digging toothbar will also "spade" land for a kitchen garden, so a $3,000 roto-tiller may be struck from your list.

The Kubota LA525 FEL will lift 1,400 pound pallets to 36". Is 1,400 pounds enough loading capacity?

It seems I’ve cornered myself into two options.
1) the heaviest/largest 25hp tractor I can find.


25-horsepower can be limiting running power hungry PTO powered implements, with snow blowers and rotary cutters / Bush Hogs being two of the primary power hungry PTO implements.

2) A higher HP pre emission tractor. I have absolutely zero interest in owning a machine with modern diesel emissions.

Tier IV emission standards phased in from 2009 - 2013. Are you interested in a 9 to 15 year old tractor as a tractor neophyte? Do you buy 9 to 15 year old road vehicles?

we have both a Kubota and a kioti dealer within 40 miles of us. Not much else within that radius.

Consider its an 80 mile round trip to either dealer and you have to make a delivery trip and a retrieval trip totaling 160 miles......

The Kioti CK2610 might be a bit larger/heavier than the Kubota with a larger hydraulic and lift capacity. I’ve just struggled to determine if the L2501 and CK2610 are in fact the heaviest of the 25hp options.

YES. In the field they are equivalent in capability.
Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, a significant tractor capability increase requires a bare tractor weight increase of 50%. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

The ergonomics of the operator's stations on the brands under consideration will be far more important to you during hundreds of hours in the seat than minor weight difference on <26-horsepower tractors.
 
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Thanks for the detailed reply Jeff.
we are at ~6000ft elevation. The land is flat, I don’t plan on rotary cutting nor snow blowing.
we do get the occasional snow but nothing crazy and it typically melts within a day or two. I wasn’t planning on utilizing the rig for snow related activities
The toothbar is a great idea. The more you all discuss these things the more it doesn’t make sense for me to spend so much money on the backhoe.
As far as used vehicles vs used tractors…I do in fact buy 9-15 year old road vehicles.
both of the vehicles in my carport are 2005 and 2006 Toyotas with 175k and 215k miles and I’d take either one on a road trip tomorrow. But I know automobiles. I don’t mind wrenching.
I simply don’t “know” tractors. Hence my lean toward going new and lower HP vs 10+ years old
As far as distance. It’s 25 minutes just to get to town. So I’ve gotta make that kind of journey for any supplies needed.
Cheers
 
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The Branson 2515 is one of the largest (maybe the largest) 25 HP CUT in the US. Just under 3000 lbs without added weights
Wow. That 2515h looks like it has some promising specs.
time for me to get back to reading haha.
thanks for the suggestion!

Edit: looks like not a single dealer in my state.
 
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We are at ~6000 ft elevation. The land is flat.

Your 25-horsepower tractor engine will produce, at best, only 21.5 horsepower at 6,000 feet. I believe you will be unhappy with 14% less power in the weight category under consideration. Elevation versus power should be a prime topic in discussions with your potential tractor dealers.

I suggest a turbocharged engine for mile high work.

Will all twenty acres be actively worked with your tractor?


BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR
 
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I won’t be working all 20 acres.
There doesn’t seem to be any 25hp tractors with a factory turbo
I got excited when I saw the new Massey 1835 has a turbo but it also has DPF. Most of the Massey units are DOC only. However the 1835 and 1840 have DPF and DOC.
so then I checked Mahindra as they seem to be the other main brand with a DOC only emissions system.
unfortunately all the way up thru 40hp they too are naturally aspirated.
I may still look at the Mahindra 1635 and 1640. They are the same size as the 1626 but offer up to 38hp.
i do also wonder if it’ll really make much difference as the 25hp one can easily enough be tuned for ~33hp
 
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^^^^^
Not trying to throw too many curveballs at you with your first tractor purchase but, this is going on my simple, mechanical diesel Kubota L2501;
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We’re expecting 45-50HP, 28-30PTO.

Benefits, more power and still a relatively simple setup.

Drawbacks, additional cost, no warranty.

Mike
 

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