First year hay making equipment

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jacobsdaddy06

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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies

Unless you have an unlimited budget, you probably should be shopping the used market for at least some of it. Good used equipment is hard to come by, but it can be done. I grew up on a dairy farm and my Dad bought almost all of his equipment used.

Do you know any farmers nearby that might be able to help you with part of the haying, maybe in return for a share of the hay? If so, that might reduce your initial equipment needs. Otherwise, you may have to come up with the whole outfit in one season.
 
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Do you plan to expand or just stay at 10 acres? Its hard to justify 10 acres of hay but if your set on doing so look for a decent sickle mower, rake and tedder (if your in an area where moisture is an issue). New Holland had a tedder/rake combo unit that is a good option for small operations. The baler is the big issue, depending on your tractor (you need to get a baler suitable for your tractor) you want to find the best baler you can and if its old you definitely need to go through that machine from top to bottom, front to back, side to side and inspect everything and repair/replace any worn parts. The baler is the main part of the puzzle and its the one piece of equipment you don't want to mess around with when hay is ready to bale.

If your plan is to go bigger though then I would consider a discbine, rotary rake, tedder and a fairly new baler. You want all reliable equipment and not something you need to put a wrench to every time you hook up to it. If your always working on equipment you will find haying is no fun and not profitable. Get good equipment and you can have plenty of fun with it (well, within reason).

Last item is hay handling. You need to decide how your getting the hay out of the field and how your going to store it. If your using a hay loft then you need an elevator. If you have a large pole barn you can go with a NH stack wagon and it picks the bales off the ground, stacks them and dumps the entire stack in the barn for you. There are also accumulators that group the bales in small groups of 8-15 bales and you use a grab mounted to a loader to pick up the group and stack on a wagon/trailer to transport to the storage barn. This option is nice but requires a lot of extra equipment. THe other option I will mention is the one I use, its a kicker/thrower mounted to the baler. The wagons are pulled behind the baler and have sides and the bales get tossed out of the baler into the wagon. You don't have to worry about the bales and just bale till your wagons are all full. Then if you have a large pole barn you can park the wagons inside to keep the hay out of the rain while you stack or you can unload the wagons directly onto the elevator. Either way, your only touching the bales once.

The last option is to have a shoot that allows the bales to get pushed up onto a trailed wagon but that would require a man on the wagon stacking as you bale. I would still prefer this option over dropping them on the ground and having to pick them up off the ground to stack on trucks/trailers/wagons. Either way, you need multiple people but to be efficient you can get by with two with the shoot where as you would want at least three to pick up off the ground.
 
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What equipment to get is only part of the equation. Do you plan on selling the hay? Or, do you have your own livestock to feed it to? Another question is do you want round or square bales? As far as equipment goes, if you go square bales, you can probably do with a 40-60 hp tractor, a small mower (sickle bar or disc), rake, and baler. If you can find a good used mower conditioner at a decent price, go for it. You MIGHT be able to get by without raking it. If you go with round bales, I recommend a 60-75 Hp tractor at a minimum. You will also need a way to get the hay out of the field. Thus you will either need a wagon, or a truck and trailer of some sort. A hay spear is essential too. Definitely get a spear for your FEL. A 3-pt spear is convenient too. Hay storage is another consideration. If you plan to strictly market and sell your hay, you are going to need clean and dry storage. If it is to just feed your own animals, you quality of hay storage is up to you. These are all basic requirements however. As you begin to look around and other folks provide advice, you will find that there are a whole lot of other variables and considerations out there (twine, net wrap, side rake, wheel rake, sickle bar, disc, or drums mowers, square vs round, tarps vs barns, vs canopies, etc, etc). At the end of the day your budget and environment will the deciding factor.
Hawk

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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies


Got a budget for equipment purchase? I know of a guy who has $75,000 worth of equipment (not including tractor) for 7-1/2 acres.... And for years, I did about 40 acres with about $2000 worth of equipment (again, not including tractor).

And, as was already asked, do you have any intentions of haying more ground in the future? (rented ground, baling on shares, ect....)

What sort of arrangements do you have for storage? (of baled hay) Do you have help, or will you be doing everything by yourself?

OK....First piece of equipment I'd buy is a simple soil test core tool. Have soil tested and apply fertilizer as needed, not just wholesale dumping fertilizer. Too much is as bad as not enough, maybe even worse in some regards.

What tractor depends somewhat on the rest of the equipment.....But in general, you'll want something 45/50hp (pto) at a minimum. You'll no doubt hear from guys who hay with 25hp....it CAN be done, but why...? I personally like 60-ish hp for baling and pulling wagons, if for no other reason, tractors that size have enough weight to be able to STOP a loaded wagon, where smaller ones are marginally safe/unsafe in certain conditions. Slightly "too big" is easy to overcome....Slightly too small puts you at an extreme disadvantage.

Mower; For 40+ years, I mowed with a simple sickle bar mower. I have a New Holland 451, and would highly recommend that model if you go the sickle bar route. GREAT mowers, easy to work on, easy to find parts..... A mower conditioner is a reasonably economic route with all the good USED ones on the market. I bought a NICE NH489 last year. I've very pleased with it after a full year under my belt. My son has a 2 year old NH disc mower. If the ability to get the job done in a HURRY is key, disc mowers are tough to beat. That comes at a price, and I don't see the cost on just 10 acres, but that's me....

Rake; I persoanlly like Roll-A-Bar rakes. Some people like 'em, some don't. I've tried rotary rakes, wheel rakes, ect, and still like my NH 258.

Get a tedder.....Brand isn't so important as just having one. With just 10 acres, almost any brand/model will do the job. I personally like Kuhn.

Baler....Where do we start.... You'll find all sorts of brands and models.....Personally, I'd stick with EITHER Deere or New Holland. Parts will be there, and more people know how to work on those two brands, so help won't be as hard to come by. They also made the best balers of the ages....I have a 336 Deere that's baled thousands upon thousands of bales and is still in excellent shape. Wouldn't trade it for a new baler.... Last year, I bought a NEW Vermeer 5410 Rebel round baler. LOVE IT! Don't overlook the possibility of round bales. They're HUGE labor savers. Valuable if you're doing this alone.....

Wagons.... ALL my hay is sold. I try to sell it in the field. Buyers pick it up themselves. I have one buyer who takes his hay in trade for helping me load the balance of my small squares. That gets loaded on wagons and sold off the wagon. No stacking it in the barn....too much work if it can be avoided. What that means is I have to have quite a few wagons.....and shed space....

Sprayer.....Keeping weeds out of hay crops is almost an art form. Unless you're willing to get certification to handle and use restricted use chemicals, I'd look at possibly hiring the spraying done. If you feel like going the extra mile and doing that yourself, look at getting a small 3-point boom sprayer.....
 
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Lots of good advice above!

I can only add that the quality of the hay depends on several things (the crop itself, the weather, the timeliness and speed of harvest). That baler HAS to work, when three days of rain begins at sundown.

You won't get rich on hay, but busting open a bale of first-cut alfalfa in January, and inhaling that summertime aroma as you toss flakes into the feed troughs- Priceless. . .:licking:
 
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To all the hay guys out there, have 10 acres I'm gonna cut next year, what would be some good first equipment that you could recommend, (tractor, mower,rake, baler) I will be fertilizing the 10 acres so I should get quite a bit off of it. Thanks for all replies

I have 10 acres also. I use a 2008 Mahindra 5525 tractor (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, gear tranny 8F/2R, power steering) with the ML250 FEL (6-ft wide bucket, 2950 lb lift to 10.5 ft height). Mower is a Massey Ferguson 31 sicklebar (7ft cutter bar, $550 at auction, rebuilt several times, about $250 in new parts). Rake is a John Deere 350 side delivery rake (10 ft wide, 5 bars, $800). Baler is a Massey Ferguson 124 (two twine, small square bales, $2000).
 
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Farm with Junk has great advice. We did 25 acres this year. Started with 5 acres several years ago and picked up a few acres here and there. Fields are easy to find if you have the equipment. We turned down another 5 acres this year because we can't keep up. We don't pay anything for the fields we do but we do bushhog any areas we can't get to with the haying equipment and spread manure or fertalizer so we are improving the fields we use.

Tractors: I would not be happy without at least 2 tractors, I have 3 and would like 5 if money wasn't an issue. Mine are all 30 hp range, great for somethings, not so much for others. I would look for a good 60 horse tractor to mow(depending on mower) and bale. The other tractor I would get is a 30 hp Farm type tractor (not a compact). I never could figure out why more farms don't have a nice little 30 hp tractor for raking and tedding.

Mower: We still mow with a sickle mower, haybine is in the plans, just not here yet, But I believe disk is where its at. Good thing is 9' discbines are starting to make there way into the small scale market but you need the 60 hp to pull it. Thats my big hurdle so don't sell yourself short on the Tractor.

Tedder: We never had one till this year, now I don't know how we ever made hay without one. We got a 4 basket 14' simple enough but important if you have any type of humidity or chance of rain while haying.

Rake: I agree we love the roll bar rake, most will recomend the rotary rake and I have never used one so I can't say. I would love a tandem rake hitch and that saves a lot of time and can still be handled by a small tractor but on your scale probably not worth the investment.

Baler: We have a small New Holland square baler and I agree, stick with Deere or New Holland and you will have good support for parts and mechanics. That is the other reason I would like a larger tractor. I would do rounds in a heartbeat if I had enough tractor and I will someday. I can't see any dis-advantage to rounds unless you are selling to horse people, which I am not.

Wagons: We do not use wagons, we drop in field and either sell direct or haul with ton truck and equipment trailer. We feed out most of the hay we make so its gotta go to the barn sooner or later anyway. I try to make 200 bales a day, which is what I haul on my truck and trailer. Thats a good work load on top of my 40hr job. I seldom have someone to stack on a wagon and do not have a kicker. I do have a couple of wagons and occasionally use them but they are deffinately not critical to our operation.

My biggest piece of advice is look ahead to where you want to be, I have made several decisions that later cost me. The biggest of which is the tractors. If you can afford at least 1 - 60hp plus tractor that would be a good place to start. Second piece of advice is have fun, at 10 acres there is no money in it so you better have fun doing it. Definately very rewarding opening a bale of hay and knowing I made it myself.
 
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Wow Thanks for all the replys, no I don't think I would ever add acreage 10 acres is just what are building on, thanks again for all info
 

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