Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor?

   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #11  
I probably wouldn’t put a new engine in it, but around here at least the used engines are plentiful. I’d take an old cub over a new mtd any day. Even if you went with the new engine option it’s probably the most cost effective.
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #12  
I just picked up a 41 hour used Cub Cadet XT3 GSX for $3800. There are 2 more on Pittsburgh CL for $4000 asking. It is a Kohler Command (commercial engine) and Hydro Gear BDU-10 cast iron transmission (heavier duty than the K66), power steering and power deck lift. At 900+ lbs with the fabricated 54" deck, it is pretty heavy and stable. It also cuts pretty dang nice! But... not as nice as my buddies new $3700 Husqvarna TS348XD (K66 transmission and Kawasaki FR series engine). Both his and mine have rear differential lock, mine is mechanical and his is an electric locker. The big Cub Cadet I have is pretty nice at it's job, but after spending a couple hours on my buddies Husqvarna TS.... I am second guessing myself. The only real negative to that Husqvarna that I did not like is that the steering is very heavy, and lifting the deck is very heavy. I found that to be odd because my 2011 Craftsman is a Husqvarna built unit and the manual steering and deck lift are far far lighter. Not sure what gives with that?

I think that in the Cub line up today, you need to skip the XT1 line entirely, and really only the most expensive of the XT2 models is worth even considering. The XT3 and XT3 GSX (adds the diff lock and power deck lift/steering) are most similar to "old school" HD builds.

While I did buy the GSX version, I'm not sure that the electric power steering and deck lift are really the best ideas. To give an idea of why I say that, I called to check the price on the deck lift electric ram assembly. Sit down and hold on.... $840!!! So if in 10 or 15 years your power steering or deck lift motor crap out on you, you will pay dearly. The engine and transmission will likely last 30 years, but the electric "crap" is an unknown with regard to long time durability and quality.

I'm hedging my bets and assuming that Cub still has pride in their name and in the top end machine that they make to the point that they made sure that these electric components are built with quality and service life expectations that match the commercial engine, transmission and shaft drive found in this machine. If I am wrong, I'll go back to the highest end of the Husqvarna line because in their price range no one comes even remotely close to the quality and performance of their top end machines.
 

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   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #13  
Have the engine rebuilt and move on. Bob
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #14  
Things to ask yourself - is a newer/used machine at 1k going to meet your needs

You hit the nail on the head in your initial statement - those older cub's were well built machines and very durable. There are plenty of machines out there now that will likely be "as reliable" - but finding one for a grand is going to be a tough task.

If you like the cub - the grand in a rebuild is likely to get you 10+ years of service - look at your alternatives in the 1k range and ask yourself if you see any of those lasting 10 years.

Now, if you want something newer or better featured - by all means move up..but if economics were the sole/heavily weighing on the decision - I know which way I'd go.
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #16  
Re-power it and keep going. As you stated, the old Cub Cadets are one tough tractor! You will not find a new one of comparable quality in that size package.
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #17  
a new mower deck will cut better than you old one. There has been more engineering activity done in the past 40 years other than just making things cheaper.
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #18  
Hi,

Long story that I'll condense as best I can. My tractor is a 1972 model 129 with a Kohler 301 engine. These old Cubs were built by IH and are very tough machines. I've used it now for 47 years. Over that time, various things have gone wrong (though relatively minor for the most part), and a bit more major engine work just a few months ago. All was working fine until yesterday when a rod broke. I know this cause I pulled the head and noticed the valves are working but not the piston. I am uncertain as to what to do. This has been a highly dependable tractor and so a part of me is inclined to put a rebuilt engine in it. On the other side of the coin, the entire tractor is the same age as the engine and no knowing how long all the other parts will last.

So, I'm faced with deciding on what I want to replace it with (if that will be the chosen option). Any suggestions? I do not hear good things regarding MTD - at least relative to the new Cubs. And, have talked to many people in the business (as well as people on these forums) that suggest fixing up this old Cub is the better way to go. I also hear stories about almost any new tractor as only lasting 3-5 years.

I need something that has a good amount of weight to it since I also plow large amounts of snow at my property when we get significant storms.

Thanks for any suggestions...
Keith

The new tractors may or may not be as reliable as the old Cub. We just won't know for about 40 or 50 years yet.

But if I was to guess, I'd guess that the engine/transmission, body, axles....and in fact all the major parts would go that long on the new ones. If they are to have a problem I'd expect it to be in the area of too much inter-connected computer control. You probably can't fix those systems yourself, and even diagnosis is difficult.
Adding to the strikes against newer tractors is that every single replacement part tends to be so specialized that it is only available from the original offshore manufacturer. There is no aftermarket parts supplier for anything on these new tractors past filters, oil, and light bulbs.

Again, given what you liked about your old tractor, I'd say that you can find a good fairly modern replacement in a good low hour used machine from about the mid-1970s up to the early 2000s. Compact tractors from that era are suprisingly modern in features....but without the complications of newer ones.
In that era you can get the advantage of reliable brands using proven designs with 4wd, PS, and modern hydralics with a robust 3pt and pretty much bulletproof rolling gear right from the engine thru the axles.
Expect that a tractor from that era will either have a manual tranny or one of the powershift variations and the electrics will be pretty much the same as your Cub. And not a hint of computer control. From that 1975 to 2000 era you'll find machines that you can diagnose and fix yourself as well as an active aftermarket parts industry. The key is to find one with low hours and be ready to pay what it is really worth to you.

I'd bet that way you can find a machine that will go another 50 years, and even if you pay top dollar, it is far less than a brand new one.
You can even take your time looking. Most of the market has money to burn, is looking for something new, and hasn't figured out where this particular sweet spot is for the mechancial kind of guy.
The key is low hours. You can still find lots of tractors from that era with only a few hundred hours. Pretty much good as news.
rScotty
 
   / Fix old Cub Cadet or buy a new tractor? #19  
I had a 1964 or 65 JD 110. Not a collectible but worth $800 with attachments. It has been in the family for 30 years maybe much of the time sitting there and used a s a backup. When I moved I needed to use it full time on my 1.5 acres lot while my much newer JD X740 was used at my new house with an 8 acre lawn. It got to be painful especially after riding a comfortable tractor the week prior.

Even though it was a nice old garden tractor, solid, ran nice and looked good it was a piece of crap compared to the much newer one. I was glad to get rid of it and glad to continue to plop my butt on the newer tractor all the time.

The moral is, upgrade to something that is more enjoyable to drive. I don't see much benefit in living in the past when newer more ergonomically designed tractor make life a whole lat easier. Like another post said, there are clubs for those old ones and maybe you can luck out selling yours to a collector.
 

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