Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics

   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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#171  
JimR said:
This paint is really bad for you if you do not wear the proper respirator.


I guess it's all in how you define "bad". If you mean, the isocyanate fumes can go right thru a normal face mask, mix with the moisture in your lungs and form an air tight barrior between your lung tissue and blood supply, cutting off your ability to get oxygen from the air - and killing you -- then, yeah it's bad.


I use a supplied air hood. It has an air pump I stick outside the shop a ways on the upwind side and a 50' air hose. Double benefit is clean air and a breeze on the back of your neck while painting.


Oh, the pictures must look better than the real deal. There is a bit of dust in the paint and the primer is so thick it goes on with a "hammered" or industrial look to it. Not smooth like 32 coats of hand rubbed laquer. Then again, this is a work'n machine and not a trailer queen, so my standards have to be a bit lower. It will be chipped, scratched and muddy soon enough! But thanks for the kind words. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person reading this post...

jb
 
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LOL, Not too many people use Imron that work on their own toys. Like you stated. It will kill you.
 
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John_Bud

Just ran across this epic. Wow what an effort. I'll be following it from now on. Can't wait to see everything back together and moving dirt.
 
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I read your post from beginning to present. Looking foreward to seeing your backhoe hooked back onto your tractor and out digging. I have enjoyed your pictures and welding Thanks David
 
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john_bud said:
Color coat has been applied. Actually, it was applied twice. I mixed up the remaining Imron 3.5HG, about 2 qts and sprayed the dipper stick and the boom. Not fully, but a decent first coat. Then had to run to the paint store and buy more. Mixed up 2 more qts and sprayed the insides of the boom and dipper, the outsides, the hard lines, and the rest. Then did it again with a thick coat as there was still more in the pot. Then having still more left in the pot, I did a 2nd full heavy coat on everything. Then sprayed the rest on some wood crating that is slowly being transformed into an outhouse for the place Up North. I have no idea what the heck happened. The first 2 qts squirted out and didn't seem to cover diddle, the 2nd 2 qt wouldn't empty out, but every thing is coated nice and thick.

P5230159.jpg


In case you're wondering, the boom is hanging from chains attached to a nylon binder strap. The strap is attached to a tow strap and a G70 binder chain. They form a triangle across the rafters and between the poles. And, yes, there was a bit of moaning and groaning as the weight was transfered! I also have to admit, the bottom of the boom and dipper stick were painted at arms length! I'll be glad when the paint dries enough to get them off of there.

P5230160.jpg


I don't know if you can see or not, but I put the hydraulic hard lines in the boom after color coating it. I didn't want the paint to make the fittings a permanent part of the hoe. That part will get a dab of paint later.

jb
Nice job on the repairs/paint. How do you like that ladder? Looks like one from a late night info-mercial.
 
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Trust me, when you're done with it, you'd wish you kept the hydraulic parts and scrapped the rest (scrap price is good these days !!) and started from scratch.

In the end you'll have more work grinding and welding, re-aligning pins and bushings, than to weld up a stronger backhoe from a little more steel on the areas that have cracked on the original.

Just remember, welding is putting heat in the material, which warps the material and creates inner material tension: A backhoe that is totally welded up and through, has a lot of internal tension and will crack quicker than the original factory product, even if you reinforce it here and there.

By the way, are you welding cast iron parts there ?? Those will loose at least 40% of their strength after welding, because of the carbon in the cast iron...

You must like welding a lot ;)
 
   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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Renze said:
Trust me, when you're done with it, you'd wish you kept the hydraulic parts and scrapped the rest (scrap price is good these days !!) and started from scratch.

In the end you'll have more work grinding and welding, re-aligning pins and bushings, than to weld up a stronger backhoe from a little more steel on the areas that have cracked on the original.

Just remember, welding is putting heat in the material, which warps the material and creates inner material tension: A backhoe that is totally welded up and through, has a lot of internal tension and will crack quicker than the original factory product, even if you reinforce it here and there.

By the way, are you welding cast iron parts there ?? Those will loose at least 40% of their strength after welding, because of the carbon in the cast iron...

You must like welding a lot ;)


Renze,

I know you mean well, but --> sorry, you're wrong about the alignment. All the bushings line up just fine. When I brought the box, boom and pivot back from the machine shop they were mounted. All points moved like warm butter on hot pancakes. Or as they used to say, "slicker than deer guts on a door knob". No issue there, in fact that's why I did all of the welding BEFORE taking the parts in to be fitted with new bushings. Let the machine shop set the bushings and line hone if need be. Except for one bushing that was repaired incorrectly by a prior owner, no line honing was needed. Maybe I was lucky?

As to internal stress induced from differential cooling rates, maybe some but probably not enough to matter. I'd rather have a repaired steel piece than one with a crack in it. Wouldn't you? The only weakness around the welded areas I found was from the prior owners repairs where they failed to chip slag out after each pass. Encapsulated slag is not so strong.... Even at that, the hoe had lots of post repair hours - probably several thousand hours without problems. (outside of the pivot which was JUNK). The hour meter for the tractor was at 8500 and it was long ago broken. Actually, the meter works just the drive cable was broken. But the sun faded the exposed numbers very badly.

No cast Iron. All mild steel. Also, cast iron can be welded up and be just as strong as it was initially. (not that I can!). It takes an oven to pre-heat the metal to the exact temperature, weld hot, then a specific post heat and cool down. Done correctly the carbon is kept out of the grain boundaries and it winds up being good ductile material - not brittle. But, doing it correctly cost about $100 per crack.


BTDT - the ladder? It's one I bought to do home repairs back in 1984 or 85! The joints keep freezing up from me leaving it out in the rain, but a little oil and good as new. If you like wobbly ladders, it's great! I keep wanting to get a new one, but it just won't die!

I'll get some more pictures. I brought all of the tree hanging parts down and brought the boom, box and pivot in to the shop. By the way, moving a 600# freshly painted boom that is 1 foot longer than the door is wide is not all that simple! In fact, it took all day to get the parts in to the shop. Just knowing that one ill timed move can peel off the fresh paint makes my palms sweat! I did manage to get them onto a small trailer and set in the sun. The parts warmed up nicely - hopefully that will cure the paint up faster.

Yesterday I took one cylinder apart. It's the boom cylinder that would leak down slowly but steadily. It's a 4 1/2" diameter cylinder and should be a real bear to remove the rod, but it slid out pretty easy. The VEE packing is all age hardened. Unfortunately, the piston nut is on like crazy. A 4' cheater bar under my arm pit with me hanging from it and whacking the cheater with a 5# hand maul only managed to make my ears ring and armpit sting~! Ouch. I think my neighbor has a more powerful impact wrench to spin the 1 13/16 nut off.

jb

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The blob shaped reflection on the right side of the bucket is me. You can see the "industrial" hammered finish that the Corlar 2.8 PR primer gives. That stuff is THICK even when thinned to the recommended maximum.
 
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   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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Well, I have spent the last couple days trying to get the piston nut off the boom cylinder so I can replace the packing. It isn't torn, cracked or blown out - just age hardened. It would allow the boom to drop so that when using the FEL or even going 1/4 mile, you would have to reach around and yank on the control and bring the boom back up.

Well, the piston nut is a replacement and is one of those lock nuts with nylon on the end. It must have been put on with locktite red and zipped down tight with a 3/4" impact set on kill. At the end of the 2nd afternoon messing with it, I decided to heat the nut until the nylon bubbled, run the air up to 125 psi and use a 24" pipe wrench with a 3' cheater bar while using the impact.

How? Easy, I put the 1 13/16 socket on the nut, then put the pipe wrench on the socket with the cheater. I put the bar under my left arm and hung from it with my feet off the ground (I'm 210#) and used the impact with my right hand. That managed to rip my bench off the wall from the torque. Ok, screwed on some 2x4 to keep the bench from moving, re-heated the nut and went at it. It finally went when I bounced from the cheater bar still running the impact. Jeepers, that baby was on there!

Then the rod seals wouldn't come out and I had to hold the rod in the vice by the end and use a come along strap pulling on the gland and banged on it with my rubber mallet. I think the rod seal is still tight! I would have left it, but the rod wiper is missing. The metal can is in place (see picture) but the seal is long gone. I think the last person to rebuild it, "overlooked" the wiper seal. Naturally, the top of the gland was caked with oily grit.

At 3pm I ordered 2 sets of VEE's for the piston, one set for the rod, 3 o-rings, 1 backup and a urethane metal can wiper. Prices have gone up - it was 89 bucks. That did include 25 o-rings for the hydraulic hoses and 10 quad rings for the control valve spools. Nice thing is that they, H&D Distributors from Dallas, were able to put the order thru and get it shipped out today. Now that's good service. (H&D Distributors, Inc. Your Complete Source for Seals)





Top picture shows where the rod wiper should be. From the rust, you can tell it's been gone a long time! Bottom picture is my high tech cylinder repair facility. LOL!

jb
 
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John,

Sounds like you're moving right along.

I used to get all my seals from my dealer, but New Holland has started upgrading there stuff and now I have to buy new pistons and caps just so there replacement seals will fit. At $240 for a piston and anther $200 for the cap, the $60 seal kits is getting kind of rediculous. Luckily the guys at the parts counter like me, or at least take pitty on me, and they told me about a guy in town who they go to when they need some specialty hydraulic work done.

He sells me just the seals I need and for around $30 to $40 I'm out the door. Once it was only $5 for what I needed!!!!

I'm sure exited to see that monster all put back together again and getting dirty.

Eddie
 
   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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Eddie,

Thanks, I'm looking forward to that too. This has taken far too long, but between time, money and availablity of needed stuff (like paint, etc) it does drag out. Nothing a large infusion of $$$ wouldn't fix (hint hint). LOL!

Just got back from buying a new nut for the cylinder and a new one for a hydraulic pass thru. $10.41. Man, they don't give away 1 1/4 fine lock nuts, do they? Guess, I'm lucky that the local Fastenal store had them on the shelf.

Now I gotta go till up some dirt as we are between rains. Going to put in 3 food plots totaling about 1 acre into buckwheat. The bambies seem to like it.


I did find a source for spare parts for the old TLB. A guy had a (mostly) complete unit like mine, just one year newer. It's even a diesel. Major issues are a shot diesel pump and a malfunctioning transmission. For $1000, I just couldn't pass it up. It's 598 miles away, but I found an empty back haul that will deliver it for $400. I figured that it was 11 hours each way and that my fuel would be $300 - 325. I think it will have to get taken all apart, else I will want to fix it, too. Supposed to be here next Friday.

Uck ! I gotta go pick off some ticks. Just came in and there seems to be a few hitchhikers.

jb
 

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