Loader float system

[Billrog]

The loader won't go below the tire bottom unless it's in float position.

 

[DT86]

The loader won't go below the tire bottom unless it's in float position.

What?

 

[Apsterbobed]

The loader won't go below the tire bottom unless it's in float position.

Yes it will, after I hits the ground keep holding down, it will lift the tires off the ground.

 

[Billrog]

Your question was the was I read it why isn't there something to stop it from lowering. If pushing why would it lower on it's own unless in float ?

 

[Apsterbobed]

Your question was the was I read it why isn't there something to stop it from lowering. If pushing why would it lower on it's own unless in float ?

Sorry I misunderstood your answer. Yes if it's not in float it will stay put. I guess my question is more why can it ever go blow the tires because it makes float useless for almost anything other than back dragging. When you are pushing a very light load it will follow the contour of the ground (to some degree) if that load increases the front end lifts off the ground and you loose traction.

 

[SSdoxie]

Sorry I misunderstood your answer. Yes if it's not in float it will stay put. I guess my question is more why can it ever go blow the tires because it makes float useless for almost anything other than back dragging. When you are pushing a very light load it will follow the contour of the ground (to some degree) if that load increases the front end lifts off the ground and you loose traction.

When if float the oil in the lift cylinders can move back and forth between rod end and base end of the cylinder. When bucket touches the ground, there is still some available travel room in the cylinder for the rod to retract inward. While going forward if bucket sliding across the ground reaches point of "high" resistance to slide the forward push of the tractor makes the cylinder rod push in, moving oil from base end to rod end, and this raises front wheels off the ground. Float is not intended, by design, to be used going forward.

 

[Apsterbobed]

When if float the oil in the lift cylinders can move back and forth between rod end and base end of the cylinder. When bucket touches the ground, there is still some available travel room in the cylinder for the rod to retract inward. While going forward if bucket sliding across the ground reaches point of "high" resistance to slide the forward push of the tractor makes the cylinder rod push in, moving oil from base end to rod end, and this raises front wheels off the ground. Float is not intended, by design, to be used going forward.

I understand how it works, I didn't know it was not intended for forward use. That essentially answers the question, I was trying to use it wrong and because of that it didn't work very well. But that still doesn't tell me why there is no stopper to hold the bucket at ground level and take all the stress off of the pins and loader towers and redirect it into the front of the frame.

 

[Billrog]

Apsterbobed what I've found helpful when leveling back bladeing is to do it with a full bucket in float & practice getting the right angle of the bucket. eg just a hair lower on the front edge of the bucket or level. the added weight pulls the top off any humps this works well with leveling new gravel on a driveway or in loose dirt.

 

[Fallon]

For one thing, its called a loader, not a digger. A loader is a very bass ackwards impliment. On normal equipment like a forklift, the llifting part is over the beef axle, not the weak complex expensive axles. Also the heavy engine is at the other end of the machine for ballast. Loaders are an afterthought impliment on a machine designed for pulling, not lifting.

If you look at the 3pt, its designed properly (beefy axle, ballast on opposite end, etc). If you want to grade with a tractor, get a box blade on your 3pt, it will work properly.

A loader is designed for lifting & loading loose material, not digging & grading. I'll occasionally use it for a bit if light grading if I'm lazy, but its usually faster to grab the box blade (or turn around as it usually on).

 

[TJP89]

I understand how it works, I didn't know it was not intended for forward use. That essentially answers the question, I was trying to use it wrong and because of that it didn't work very well. But that still doesn't tell me why there is no stopper to hold the bucket at ground level and take all the stress off of the pins and loader towers and redirect it into the front of the frame.

Because sometimes you need to dig below the grade of the front tires.

 

[Apsterbobed]

I was told it's not for digging! Also you just tip the bucket down, the skidsteer I have run all have stops at ground and you have to tip the bucket to dig down.

 

[Ranchofla]

I was told it's not for digging! Also you just tip the bucket down, the skidsteer I have run all have stops at ground and you have to tip the bucket to dig down.

It maybe not be for 'digging' but many of us have done just that with it and everything works fine, just have to know the limitation of the machine. I dug 80 cubic yards of dirt out to flatten my back yard before using a small track loader to dig out the pool (43' x 28' True L) which is 100 cubic yards of spoil that had to be moved with my little CK20...

Rancho

 

[TJP89]

I was told it's not for digging! Also you just tip the bucket down, the skidsteer I have run all have stops at ground and you have to tip the bucket to dig down.

Your not going to dig a basement, but sometimes you need to actually dig in below grade. Example: I just pulled a bunch of bushes, and was using the loader to start popping the roots. Also, your not going to get to far if you try to dig with the bucket flat or angled up, you also generally need it angled down to do any digging.

 

[Hope Caper]

Many thanks. After reading all the comments I have a better idea of what to expect from the float.

 

[bhraymer]

The DK series has a float. shove the joystick past the down position. You will feel it go past a hard point and then it will stick down. It can require a good shove to put it in float. The first time I did it I thought I had busted the joystick, lever was limp, jammed down, bucket was on the ground. Then I remembered the float position.

I have a 2016 DK5510HS and I just tried the float function based on your description...seems to be engaged, joystick is limp but now I can't get it to snap out of it and return to normal FEL control. Joystick remains limp/function-less, how do I get it out of float and back to a normal functioning joystick?

 

[Billrog]

Pull it back !!!!

 

[bhraymer]

There was zero tension on the joystick at all...I removed the rubber housing and discovered a square plate that mounts the stick had snapped right in half...I didn't even shove it into float very hard and it broke...now I get to go to Kioti tomorrow and find out how long it'll take for the repair and if it's hopefully warrantied.