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brotherjohn · Mar 16, 2006

Here's a site that fully explains the Greymarket tractor I bought. The tractor is refurbished in VietNam specifically for the US market after use in Japan. My tractor is as they claim it to be. I can't speak for others. When the page opens, click on "about our tractors".
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pruntyc · Mar 16, 2006

I give up on you. All I can say is good luck, as I believe down the road you will need a lot of it. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

mark777 · Mar 16, 2006

B.john,

It is admirable that you stand by your purchase and defend your choice of tractor and dealer. It is, after all, a Yanmar discussion forum.

The fact is, a large percentage of tractors imported from Vietnam are exactly as others have stated. And many have had varying degrees of success with those same units. There are some pretty satisfied owners who post often and don't care about the origin of their tractor, refurbishing process, or can tell any difference between theirs and others imported as used.

IMO, it is the owners that have had horrible problems, catastrophic mechanical failures, no after sales support and individuals just stuck with a tractor so poorly miss-matched with salvaged parts...that the rest of us heed their warning. Mostly these owners just drop out of sight and are never to be heard from again. That sends a pretty strong message to the rest of us. We also, have been privileged the information about dealers that visit Japan often, and Vietnam on occasion, who provided us with their opinions (most greatly respected) and that sends a pretty strong message also.

I wouldn't be too sensitive, as the members here are offering their opinions and warnings, collected from a history of some dealers and tractors that are dumped on unsuspecting first time buyers with little or no experience in the tractor field.

Mark

kenmac · Mar 16, 2006

I see they only give a 90 day warranty on engine & tranny only. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif If you think you got a good deal then, that's all that matters.

Soundguy · Mar 16, 2006

( All we are saying is why does a tractor with less than 1000 hours on it need refurbishing )

I consider 1000hrs just past 'broke in good.'

Soundguy

brotherjohn · Mar 17, 2006

Mark, I believe there's a significant difference between a tractor imported from VietNam with possibly hundreds of thousands of hours, and a tractor imported from Japan and shipped to VietNam for refurbishing. And Kenmac, 90 days is better than what I'd get from an individual or an auction for a used tractor. It's plenty long enough to identify problems.

Jagmandave · Mar 17, 2006

Brotherjohn,
How did you wind up getting a tractor from a Washington state company when you are located in Fla? Talk about a haul to get it home!

I bought my 1602D from an individual, and you're right, there was no warranty, and no information or history - yet I was perfectly happy to buy it and haul it home, and it's been a great tractor - even tho it has had a couple of small "issues" that I think were due to the last owner. But, it's used and I got what I expected, and had no problem fixing those things that needed it. Enjoy your tractor!

arthr31 · Mar 17, 2006

Jagman,
I think that the refurb outfit that tractorco uses in vietnam is one of the bigger operations. The pictures of the refurb process isn't exactly confidence instilling.

Nevertheless, i have a tractor which probably came from that place or some place similar. The whole deal with the refurb units boils down to: You just don't know what you have. The integrity is kinda mysterious. You don't know what was really done to it, and was it done properly. Did they use the right torque on the head bolts? Did they put all the gaskets and pack the bearings properly on the axle? You don't know. With a plain old used machine, you know that it is used, but probably wasn't taken completely apart for the paint job and have heavens only know done to it...

Either way, both are used machines. Don't let the refurb process think that there is something else there..

Speaking of which, I'm keeping my refurb unit. And, it's going to be a very hard spring/summer/fall for that tractor. as a testiment to the refurb units, i may chronicle the work i put this tractor through. This'll begin in about two weeks. If things break down, you'll see them, and maybe see why...

anyway, good luck. -art /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

LMTC · Mar 17, 2006

( as a testiment to the refurb units, i may chronicle the work i put this tractor through ) How is that a testament to the recons? It's a testament to your single tractor. THAT is the whole point...of course some of the recons don't actually melt down on their owners. No one I know as ever said it's EVERY single unit...it's the volume that do compared to the volume of the ones sold by non-VN recon dealers that have major problems and recurring disasters. Documenting the one, two, or a dozen that do fine misses the whole point. Sigh.....I suppose since those of you not in the business do not get the phone calls it is not possible for you to see it the way we do who get all the calls.

This all started on this forum several years ago when WE were criticized for our policy at that time of not working on tractors we didn't sell. We got tired of the headache of the junk we were seeing from vietnam. We'd fix one thing and another would break. Owners cussed us because we had it last. It was simply not worth it, and then we were criticized for our policy. We tried to explain our position, and were supported by many of the dealers, as a simple business decision. In the process we tried to explain the dramatically higher incidence of failures in these units based on our experience. Others chimed in, seeing the same higher incidence. This apparently gave many owners the confidence to come forward and tell their horror stories....and there have been many. Every year I reach the point where I say "That's enough, I'm not going to try to educate anyone anymore. Believe what the heck you will. Pay your money and make your choice. I'm done." This year that point is now.

arthr31 · Mar 18, 2006

( How is that a testament to the recons? It's a testament to your single tractor. THAT is the whole point...of course some of the recons don't actually melt down on their owners. No one I know as ever said it's EVERY single unit...it's the volume that do compared to the volume of the ones sold by non-VN recon dealers that have major problems and recurring disasters. Documenting the one, two, or a dozen that do fine misses the whole point. Sigh.....I suppose since those of you not in the business do not get the phone calls it is not possible for you to see it the way we do who get all the calls.
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You're absolutely right, Wayne. Sorry for my ignorance. I'll skip documenting/reporting how my tractor stands up against hard work since it doesn't portray the re-cons as a whole; but just a single tractor.