Food Plot Maintenance... which herbacides

[johncanfield]

Thanks. I've been fighting thistle for years with Roundup spot spraying, chopping them manually with a mattock and mowing. The neighbor on my east side never did anything with that pasture and their thistle will go to seed and blow all over the place. That property changed hands several months ago and the new owner did mow the field so that should help. 2,4-D unfortunately only works on the small rosettes. My other ten year struggle is getting rid of prickly pear, I had good luck with Surmount and then spot spraying for a few years but they are slowly coming back. Going to try a new herbicide called Mezavue (both are restricted.)

 

[LD1]

Alot of the roundup NAME BRAND stuff has more than just glyphosate in it too. Like roundup quick pro or roundup concentrate plus has glyphosate + diquat. The roundup poison ivy / tough brush mixes in triclopyr. The roundup 365 or roundup extended control have both diquat and imazapyr to complement the glyphosate. Ortho groundclear is gly + imazapyr

So aside from just glyphosate or glyphosate + surfactant....there are some other types of herbicides that are sometimes mixed.

So if buying off-brand cheaper stuff.....make sure you are comparing apples to apples if you think one works better than the other.

And if you find one that you like and its expensive.....like roundup quick-pro that has gly + diquat......and you dont want to break the bank. Then buy generic glyphosate and generic diquat and mix your own version of "roundup quick pro" and you will save a boat load.

 

[hunt4570]

So if you HAVE to kill something try REMEDY its killed everything I've ever tried it on, even full grown huge trees! Used it on a 30" diameter Mesquite tree and it worked no problem!

 

[JohnnyMX]

I feel like I'll be part mad-scientist when I get this all right My clover plots are starting to clear up, but some were far worse than others so either way a good test for the IMOX. My mix for around the house burns stuff down in days, and I'm still working on grasses, vines and broadleafs in my blue junipers.

 

[jethroUSMC]

So if you HAVE to kill something try REMEDY its killed everything I've ever tried it on, even full grown huge trees! Used it on a 30" diameter Mesquite tree and it worked no problem!

Yes it will. Active ingredient is 2-4-D same active ingredient as Agent Orange.

Be careful applying this stuff - I wear more serious PPE, respirator and a light tyvek suit when applying this stuff with my backpack sprayer. Crossbow and Tordon RTU is similar with the same active ingredient, the tordon comes with the blue marker die. Nice bottle for dealing with cut stumps real quick - but like the others will kill all non grass vegetation when used according to the instructions.

 

[5030]

Thanks. I've been fighting thistle for years with Roundup spot spraying, chopping them manually with a mattock and mowing. The neighbor on my east side never did anything with that pasture and their thistle will go to seed and blow all over the place. That property changed hands several months ago and the new owner did mow the field so that should help. 2,4-D unfortunately only works on the small rosettes. My other ten year struggle is getting rid of prickly pear, I had good luck with Surmount and then spot spraying for a few years but they are slowly coming back. Going to try a new herbicide called Mezavue (both are restricted.)

24D-B handles thistle quite nicely but it need to be mowed first. Stinger also works well but decimates alfalfa where as 24D-B won't. 24D-B is Butyrac which is the makers tradename.

All chemicals come with an application / MSDS sheet attached, it's Federal law. Read it, don't ask for opinions.

OP needs to spell it correctly, it's Herbicide not Herbacide.

 

[LD1]

Yes it will. Active ingredient is 2-4-D same active ingredient as Agent Orange.

Be careful applying this stuff - I wear more serious PPE, respirator and a light tyvek suit when applying this stuff with my backpack sprayer. Crossbow and Tordon RTU is similar with the same active ingredient, the tordon comes with the blue marker die. Nice bottle for dealing with cut stumps real quick - but like the others will kill all non grass vegetation when used according to the instructions.

Actally, remedy has NO 24d. It is triclopyr.

 

[CoyPatton]

Good idea on the golf courses and farmers. I try to keep it mowed, but the clover is growing like crazy. Keeps growning over a foot tall, and unfortunately, the weeds also like the soil and sun combo.

Found an online place for Clethodim (not amazon) that wasn't as bad on shipping. I have a creeping bush for erosion on a slope near the house that I want to try it on. If that can prevent me from weeding it will be well worth it !!! Trying something called IMOX which is a blend of weed/broadleaf for the plots. It was a bit cheaper than buying both by themselves. We'll see how it goes. Maybe I can find a local place and save $12 bucks on shipping.

Seems like for perennials, it is cheaper to keep 'em weed free than to re-plant them so I'm giving it a shot.

Watch out for cheaper prices—frequently is a lower percentage of active chemicals ( in effect you are buying water). This is true in most herbicides and bug sprays when you buy from online places and big box stores.
Many of these chemicals are transportation regulated as are fluids for your tractor. If it can be shipped USPS, UPS, FEDEX, or other such carriers , it is not the stuff you want.

 

[mtsman2]

To the OP, how did you plots look this fall after the IMOX? Takes a good 30 days to kill the grasses with IMOX. Broadleafs,... just kind of stunts them.

 

[JohnnyMX]

To the OP, how did you plots look this fall after the IMOX? Takes a good 30 days to kill the grasses with IMOX. Broadleafs,... just kind of stunts them.

They cleaned up pretty good. They started looking like a lawn again. It did take a while.

 

[hunt4570]

So, according to the label Imox will work on the clover patches I have AND in my pond so I bought some to try. Seems to work great on my clover patch, but did pretty much nothing on my pond.

 

[Cougsfan]

As I read through this thread, I continue to be amazed at how often people present inaccurate information on forums. If you want to know facts about herbicides take a class on herbicides, Most State's pesticide licensing class is a good place to start, learn how to read a herbicide label (they are a bit esoteric and often poorly written). Learn to depend on the legal names and not the brand names of the ingredients. There is often more than one active ingredient. If you can't or won't do that, talking to a professional agronomist will be a lot better than learning about herbicides on a forum. Most quality agricultural outlets that sell farm chemicals (McGregor's Helena, Wilbur Ellis in my area) have agronomists that are available willing to to talk to you and lead you to the right blend of chemicals, the right application rate and application equipment, customized for your specific weeds and your specific area. Buying stuff at TSC and flying blind is a poor option.

I used to think that licensing of pesticides usage was overkill. I have seen so many people using herbicides without a clue to what they are doing, I have changed my mind. Applying pesticides intelligently is not only safer for people and the environment, it is much more effective in weed management.

 

[nyone]

I have about an acre of clover food plots in total. They are established and growing great for 2 years now. I'm finally getting some grass and broadleaf weeds. I guess I"m looking for a cheap version of Arrest Max and Slay. I've hear butyrac/24dB or clethodim for grasses and not sure about broadleaf.

I can't translate ingredient to something I see at Tractor Supply, etc. and Amazon seems to kill you on this stuff. What should I get and where?

If you want a cheaper version than arrest max and slay just look at there active ingredients or SDS. Everything today has to have an SDS that will show ingredients. Then just type the ingredients into tractor supply website.

With out looking up those chemicals I believe you will want 24d for the broad leaf weeds

Fyi I just got a gallon of 41% glyphosate from TSC for $19. When home depot sells round up (21% glyphosate) for $22 for half a gallon.

With out looking up