food plots for deer

   / food plots for deer #21  
I think if you're taking her early you're still taking the next B&C In other words, if you take a doe, she won't drop a fawn next year no matter pre or post rut. I don't want to "shoot out" my plots on does before / during rut. I have watched them for hours before a good buck shows up to check her.
 
   / food plots for deer #22  
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifWell, with that maybe you should never kill them /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But seriously, I'll leave them untill the last minute before I pull the trigger too. You never know what may be behind them. This is my practice for does as well as bucks. Plus I havent been using the plots till the rut.

Our season lasts about 4mo, either sex. That gives me 2mo of either sex and 2mo of buck only the way I have been doing it. Seems to work well for me. I was just curious if I might be missing something on the management end. Thanks.
 
   / food plots for deer #23  
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Part of the problem we have here, along with the large herd, is that we are allowed 12 deer per season 10 must be antlerless. I think this is rediculous. )</font>

That's a pile of venison! I guess I need to visit Georgia one week to hunt.

To solve the deer problem 12 deer and 10 must be antleredless I have a soultion for the DNR. You must harvest 2 antlerless and then issued the antlered tags.
 
   / food plots for deer #24  
We've gotten a bit off topic here, discussing genetics and the ethics of trophy hunting. Flintlock, your climate in PA will be roughly similar to mine in east central OH. I just finished my fourth season hunting my own food plots. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can tell you what has worked during my few years of hunting and experimenting.

I've had good luck with clover and clover/alfalfa blends. They let me watch deer a lot during the summer and are great early season attractants, but fall off badly after the first hard frost. I tried to help that out this year by planting part of a plot in a pea/bean/grain type blend, but that part bombed due to bad drought after planting. The only part of that blend that did any good was the sorghum. I plowed under most of it in early September and planted a wheat/clover/brassica blend intended for fall planting. That worked ok; it attracted deer as it was the only fresh green growth around, but the resulting heavy pressure wiped it out.

I tried a turnip/brassica type blend a few years ago. I wasn't crazy about the results, but the brassica and especially the turnips did keep the deer coming much later than the clover did.

My 12 acres isn't enough to keep deer living entirely on my property, and I can't plant enough food plot to significantly influence deer nutrition. My philosophy for my food plots is simply to provide an attractive food source so I can watch deer during the summer and harvest one or two in the fall. Typically I will take one early season doe off my own property, then move on to hunt a neighbor's farm with much more land and better food sources. I could certainly save my time and money on the food plots, but it lets me play farmer and I enjoy being able to hunt deer on my own property.

Mistakes I've made: not controlling grasses well enough, especially in the clover plots, and not liming and fertilizing appropriately. I've tried to save money sometimes when cash is tight, and it has hurt my plots.

The equipment you suggest sounds appropriate. A plow may be helpful for the first tilling, as a disk can have a hard time adequately penetrating hard soil or sod. Don't plan on using a large broadcast spreader for any clover, alfalfa, or brassica seed; you can't set the openings small enough to seed it well. I use a hand spreader for the smaller seeds on mine. One of my customers asked me to use my three point spreader to seed clover and alfalfa on his plots, even after I told him my concerns about seed size, and we had poor results. A large outdoor store near me offers rentals on a Plot Master; that may also be an option in your area, and has the potential to save some of the initial investment in equipment.

Plan on taking a couple of years to improve the soil and figure out what works in your area. I enjoy working on and hunting my food plots, but they aren't a magic bullet. I just finished my season a couple weeks ago after taking the three deer I'm allowed in Ohio. I took one doe off the neighbor's farm, another doe off my food plot, and got my first really good buck off the farm. The freezer's full, I have antlers at my taxidermist, and I'm happy. Now I get to sit back and plan next year's plots...
 
   / food plots for deer #25  
Mix 30-50% clean sand with clover or other small seed for even broadcast. Works on my big spreader.
 
   / food plots for deer #26  
Should have remembered I've heard that mentioned before. I've also heard it suggested to premix seed with lime or fertilizer to accomplish the same thing. My plots are small enough at 1 1/2 acres total that it's not a big deal to walk it out with a hand spreader, but that would be handy for some of my larger customers plots.
 
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Didn't have much personal success deer hunting so far this season. Saw a few does that I let go, expecting a buck to be following, but none followed. Saw lots of fresh sign everywhere in the woods, too much to have been made by the few deer we actually saw hunting. Seems that they are mainly passing through at night on their way to the neighbor's backyard deer feeders. Those flatlanders have sure fouled up our deer herd. We're hoping several 1-3 acre plots and numerous much smaller cuts will keep the animals on the property longer to feed and hopefully bed in the thick laurels like they used to. On a bright note, my 13 yo son shot his first deer Saturday from my treestand. Nice clean chest shot put down a good doe. Hope to get the hunting for him back to what I remember when I was his age.
 
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Since our layer of topsoil is paper thin, I thing we can get away with discing it prior to planting, rather than plowing which will only bring more stones to surface. Would a 30 HP machine pulling a disc and running rotary cutter be better off to be gear driven rather than HST.
 
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I am trying to put together a wish list of seed mixtures to have on hand for spring planting here in northeast Pa. Probably won't get seed in the ground til mid May. Haven't planted anything so far and will probably steer toward annual mixes til we get more experience with what will grow on our plots. Have put about 2-3 tons lime/acre this fall and will soil test in Spring. Any suggestions about seed mixes that have performed well in marginal soils. What about frost seeding?
 

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