Foolish Lubricant Question

[cowpie1]

Amsoil Torque Drive transmission oil made for the Allison is far cheaper that the OEM stuff and does just as well, and in most cases, better than OEM.

Here is some info:

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1967.pdf?zo=1350363

For price? A gallon of Amsoil Torque-Drive is $38.20 retail or $27.65 Preferred Customer price. Of course, cheaper in bulk.

Your call.

 

[DieselPower]

And like most Amsoil products it is not licensed. There are 5 Allison TES-295 specification license holders, Amsoil's not one of them.

 

[cowpie1]

So,,,, how is that a problem? Amsoil products have a warranty. If it screws up the equipment, they will repair/replace it. The Magnuson-Moss warranty act of '75 does not allow Allison or anyone else to void a warranty because you don't use a "licensed" oil. Unless of course they provide the oil, change it themselves, etc FREE OF CHARGE.

I read on the forum all the time how people are trying to save a buck here and there, yet on this issue some want to pay the high price for a "licensed" product when there is a cost effective alternative that works.

The Torque-Drive product is equal to the TES-295 spec of Allison, or else they couldn't make the claim without legal action from Allison. So far no legal action, not warranty payout, no problems.

Go Figure.....

 

[AlanB]

So,,,, how is that a problem? Amsoil products have a warranty. If it screws up the equipment, they will repair/replace it. The Magnuson-Moss warranty act of '75 does not allow Allison or anyone else to void a warranty because you don't use a "licensed" oil. Unless of course they provide the oil, change it themselves, etc FREE OF CHARGE.

I read on the forum all the time how people are trying to save a buck here and there, yet on this issue some want to pay the high price for a "licensed" product when there is a cost effective alternative that works.

The Torque-Drive product is equal to the TES-295 spec of Allison, or else they couldn't make the claim without legal action from Allison. So far no legal action, not warranty payout, no problems.

Go Figure.....

actually, the abbriged version of it is here.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.shtm

And I would disagree with your statement about allowing you to use "licensed" oil. You still have to follow the manufacturers reccomendations and use approved fluids for the manufacturer to stand behind their products.

What I read the M & M act as doing is keeping a manufacturer from specifying that you can only use "their" oil that you must purchase from "them". As long as it meets their specs it would be allowable to be used.

But as in the previous discussion with MikePa, that is how the courts get involved in things when two people take the same information differently.

 

[DieselPower]

I think one thing people tend to forget is that the Magnuson-Moss act was written for passanger automobiles. It does not cover commercial/agrictural equipment and vehicles.

 

[AlanB]

I just must be disagreeable, but it covers "consumer Products" So long as it is not being used commercially, I believe the stuff most folks on here have fit that category, whether it is Ag or Not. (unless there is some part of it I am missing? )

Introduction
This manual is intended as a businessperson's guide to the basic features of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, the federal law governing warranties on consumer products. The text provides citations to specific sections of the law—the Warranty Act itself, the Rules the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) adopted under the Act, and the FTC's Warranty Advertising Guides. For reference purposes, a supplement to this manual containing the Act, the Rules, and the Guides is available from the FTC's Consumer Response Center. See Additional Sources of Information.

 

[Soundguy]

Ag, unless hobby use.. would seem to indicate some level of business.. IE Farm business.. thus the necescity to file a schedule F on your tacxes ( profit or loss from farming??? )

Hmm.. that's a tough one... farming is such a special situation

Soundguy

 

[KICK]

So,,,, how is that a problem? Amsoil products have a warranty. QUOTE]

Amsoil Synthetic Torque-Drive™ ATF Replaces Castrol® TranSynd®

 

[HGM]

Obviously EVERYTHING is up for interpretation.... I have seen several very solid cases completely thrown away because someone cited the M&M act... Blatent abuse of vehicles, heavy modifications all excused by this M&M act that basicly states that The customer is always right even when they do something dumb(I'm not saying this oil topic is dumb, just giving my opinion of the M&M itself).. Its like justifying the Hot McDonalds coffee incident, where the lady blamed them for her mistake...

Bottom line, unless you are a chemical engineer and can dicect the composition of an oil and prove beyond a shadow of doubt that this oil is better than the oil that the MFG engineers deemed correct, the topic is kind of pointless.. I can totally respect the question as no question is dumb. Its the idea that M&M must come to play to say that "I can use whatever I want" just to justify a product like Amsoil.. If it was so superior and economical, someone would be using it in production.. Just my opinion of course, but I had to say it....

 

[cowpie1]

I guess the proof in the pudding is that after Amsoil has made its claims regarding Torque-Drive oil, Allison nor Castrol has filed a claim with FTC. If Amsoil were making wild claims, Allison and Castrol would protect their turf.

What it all comes down to is this.... Some will only use the Maytag repair man to work on their washing machine, even though a reputable repair man can do the same.

Some will only feel comfortable using a particular oil because of the wishes of the equipment manufacturer. All of this is not a problem with me. Use whatever trips your trigger. I am comfortable using the Amsoil product and I get to save a little in the process. I have nothing against those that wish to stand their ground and use only certain other products. It was not my intent to tick anyone off. Only to show that an viable alternative existed and would be more cost effective.

Everyone has their own comfort zone.