Onederdog
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Given that the PTO hp is the same for the 4530/4110 what reasons would someone choice one over the other? And what is the MSRP difference.
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Bruce
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BobG_in_VA
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I'm not a dealer, I don't even play one on TV, but I am a user...Look at the specs and you should see exactly why the 4350 is much more tractor. Lower reving engine, with more cubic inches (can't ever have too many CIs). Lower Compression ratio on the 4530, Hydraulic output is better on the 4530, lift capacity is over 1000lbs more for the 4530. RPMs at PTO speed (540) is over 400 less for the 4530. Soooo, for my hard earned money, do I need to say which way I'd lean??? Just puttin' you on, but there really isn't much of a discussion that needs to be made, except that the price may be the deciding factor. Good luck on your decision BobG in VA
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Onederdog
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Thanks for reply Bob.
I haven't looked at the engine specs much. I did notice that the 4530 weights almost a ton more, and has a higher pto lift capacity.
What about the 12/12 partial syncho tranny on the 4110 vs. 8/8 full on the 4530? I think I've also read a post stating that the 4110 is actually made for Mahindra by another company, and not their own engineering.
Anyone know what the MSRP difference is (Dave).
Thanks,
Bruce (rookie buyer)
I haven't looked at the engine specs much. I did notice that the 4530 weights almost a ton more, and has a higher pto lift capacity.
What about the 12/12 partial syncho tranny on the 4110 vs. 8/8 full on the 4530? I think I've also read a post stating that the 4110 is actually made for Mahindra by another company, and not their own engineering.
Anyone know what the MSRP difference is (Dave).
Thanks,
Bruce (rookie buyer)
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You're right TYM makes the 4110 for Mahindra. Heck of a tractor, everybody that has them likes them. Kind of look like a siamese cat though. The 4530 is a true Mahindra made in India for sale in the US. Both are good tractors. Bob and I have the 6000 4x4 which is more like the 4530. True Mahindra. Best I recall there is close to a $2000 difference in price. Or atleast when I was shopping there was. It was the 4500 then though so I don't know how much the platform changed the price. Either tractor is a good choice. I'd ask myself (and tell us) more about what you plan to use the tractor for. The 4530 is more of a Ag type no frills tractor. Much heavier, lifts more, heck it's just bigger all around. It does suffer a little in the tranny deptartment, but unless you need to absolutely creep you'll never notice the difference. My 6000 is plenty low enough to till and I would imagine you would want to go as slow then as ever. So let us know more about what you plan to use the tractor for and we'll be more than glad to help you spend your money. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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I'm not at my office, so I am not sure on the MSRP difference. These tractors are completely different. The 4110 is a large compact and the 4530 is a full size utility. Manueverablility should be considered and also will you be hauling this behind a pickup?
The difference in specs are obvious. The only thing really close is HP. If you are considering the 4530, you might as well look at the 5500 4wd also. It has a nice balance of power to weight and a little better brakes, plus a larger front axle. Then if you like the 5500 4wd, you might take a spin on the 7520 4wd....oops, can't help myself /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
The difference in specs are obvious. The only thing really close is HP. If you are considering the 4530, you might as well look at the 5500 4wd also. It has a nice balance of power to weight and a little better brakes, plus a larger front axle. Then if you like the 5500 4wd, you might take a spin on the 7520 4wd....oops, can't help myself /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Joel: I thought about a tiller for my 6000 2WD but thought that 1st gear is too fast - 1.90 mph at 2100 rpm. pto 540 is at around 2060 rpm. What is ground speed of the 4x4 in 1st gear?
Also what width disc mower are you pulling? I would be cutting fescue (K31) which is quite heavy in places.
Tnx,
Fred
Also what width disc mower are you pulling? I would be cutting fescue (K31) which is quite heavy in places.
Tnx,
Fred
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I'll refer the question about ground speed to Dave or BobG. I have no idea where my literature on the tractor is.
I'm running a Fort First Choice 8ft cut 6 disc mower. It's really a little much for the 6000. Well I say that because I like to go. If speed isn't a concern it has no problems with it.
My tiller is a 90" First Choice. I've tilled up half the places in the county with it. I could stand it if the tractor was a little slower with it.
I'm running a Fort First Choice 8ft cut 6 disc mower. It's really a little much for the 6000. Well I say that because I like to go. If speed isn't a concern it has no problems with it.
My tiller is a 90" First Choice. I've tilled up half the places in the county with it. I could stand it if the tractor was a little slower with it.
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Thanks again for the howling good replies!!!
This isn't the Readers Digest version.
Here's the scoop on the usage. My home lot is 1 1/2 acres. I'm currently trying to prep my side pasture (1/4 acre-70' wide) for laying sod to use as a dog agility training area. I would like a tractor that I can also use to mow this area once it's planted. So, that brings up another question. Should the tractor have turf tires to avoid ripping up the agility area? The 4110 with a possible HST tranny and mid-mount pto for mowing might work. Or, is putting on and removing a mid-mount mower on a weekly basis as big a pain as scratching fleas and ticks. Maybe a rear pto mower is the way to go. Remember, the area is only 70 ft. wide, and I'm trying to avoid having to buy a small riding mower. So far the prep work is (was) being done with my Polaris 500cc ATV with a “quadravator”, harrows mat etc.. Just about burned it up (the ATV that is) which brought up the whole need (want) for a tractor to begin with. Side note: I see the 4110 has a 540/1000 pto, the 4530 just 540. So, what implements do you need the 1000 speed for? Show of hands please.
There is another 1/2 acre out back, which my wife uses for training stock dogs and pasturing a small flock of sheep. This fall I plan to prepare this area for planting pasture and will likely have someone come in and hydro-seed it.
Then there is the “River Bottoms Farm” which is 11 1/2 acres and a few miles away. We've cleared about 7 acres of those (@#*#@%) lovely Russian Olive trees so far, using our backhoe. This brings up yet another question. We have a nice JCB 214 4wd backhoe so I really don't have a need for an FEL on the new tractor, except maybe to enhance possible resale value and a small amount of misc. usage. My local dealer does not even like to order in a tractor without a FEL. Usage at the bottoms will probably include ongoing discing, plowing… some sort of Russian Olive removal plan, along with grooming our stockdog trail arena. Those removed Russian Olive trees now sit in two separate house sized piles waiting for a chipper (no burning allowed, dog-gone EPA).
My current utility trailer has two 3500 pound axles, so the 4530 will put me slightly overweight for hauling, unless (here we go again) I upgrade to a larger model trailer. Can you just see me wife rolling her eyes. Most hobbies have a price tag of say, a 500 dollar set of clubs or maybe even a 50 dollar pack and hammer for you rock hounders.
I was also going to mention the half section of recreational land 175 miles away where I have a couple of miles of ATV trails to groom, but it's up for sale now and that need will go away for now. We'll probably replace with more ground somewhere else.
Well, the dog's dancing around holding her bladder so I guess I better go for now. Aren't you glad you asked?
Bruce
This isn't the Readers Digest version.
Here's the scoop on the usage. My home lot is 1 1/2 acres. I'm currently trying to prep my side pasture (1/4 acre-70' wide) for laying sod to use as a dog agility training area. I would like a tractor that I can also use to mow this area once it's planted. So, that brings up another question. Should the tractor have turf tires to avoid ripping up the agility area? The 4110 with a possible HST tranny and mid-mount pto for mowing might work. Or, is putting on and removing a mid-mount mower on a weekly basis as big a pain as scratching fleas and ticks. Maybe a rear pto mower is the way to go. Remember, the area is only 70 ft. wide, and I'm trying to avoid having to buy a small riding mower. So far the prep work is (was) being done with my Polaris 500cc ATV with a “quadravator”, harrows mat etc.. Just about burned it up (the ATV that is) which brought up the whole need (want) for a tractor to begin with. Side note: I see the 4110 has a 540/1000 pto, the 4530 just 540. So, what implements do you need the 1000 speed for? Show of hands please.
There is another 1/2 acre out back, which my wife uses for training stock dogs and pasturing a small flock of sheep. This fall I plan to prepare this area for planting pasture and will likely have someone come in and hydro-seed it.
Then there is the “River Bottoms Farm” which is 11 1/2 acres and a few miles away. We've cleared about 7 acres of those (@#*#@%) lovely Russian Olive trees so far, using our backhoe. This brings up yet another question. We have a nice JCB 214 4wd backhoe so I really don't have a need for an FEL on the new tractor, except maybe to enhance possible resale value and a small amount of misc. usage. My local dealer does not even like to order in a tractor without a FEL. Usage at the bottoms will probably include ongoing discing, plowing… some sort of Russian Olive removal plan, along with grooming our stockdog trail arena. Those removed Russian Olive trees now sit in two separate house sized piles waiting for a chipper (no burning allowed, dog-gone EPA).
My current utility trailer has two 3500 pound axles, so the 4530 will put me slightly overweight for hauling, unless (here we go again) I upgrade to a larger model trailer. Can you just see me wife rolling her eyes. Most hobbies have a price tag of say, a 500 dollar set of clubs or maybe even a 50 dollar pack and hammer for you rock hounders.
I was also going to mention the half section of recreational land 175 miles away where I have a couple of miles of ATV trails to groom, but it's up for sale now and that need will go away for now. We'll probably replace with more ground somewhere else.
Well, the dog's dancing around holding her bladder so I guess I better go for now. Aren't you glad you asked?
Bruce
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sounds like you would be better off with a smaller tractor, and of course you need an fel, you just dont know it yet.
DavesTractor
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With a JCB 4x4 backhoe available, I'd consider a 3215HST 4x4 with R4 tires. Very manueverable, not nearly as heavy, HST trans, quick attach loader (or buy it without), rear finish mower. This is a great mowing and tilling machine. It's built by Mitsu in Japan and is really top drawer. Plus, your dogs will like it, I'm sure!
Who is your local Mahindra dealer?
Who is your local Mahindra dealer?
I recently concidered the 5500 and 4530 for my use. They were ideal for me and my jobs, but were just too big. I figured I'd need a heavier truck, f150 now, and trailer, 7000# now. I decided to get a compact tractor because I'm kinda remote and will need to trailer it to wherever it needs to be if there is a problem. I also live 140 miles away if I needed to bring it home. I really like the Mahindra's, but I ended up with a NH tc 40 because it was the best deal for me.
It sounds like your in the same boat as I was. Good luck!
It sounds like your in the same boat as I was. Good luck!
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Bruce,
Dave is right, being you have the JCB, to do the big jobs, a smaller more agile tractor is what you need. The 3215 HST with a ML111 loader, and a 60" or 72" rear finish mower would suit your needs very well. You will find the loader very handy for the numerous small jobs, which getting out the big machine would be unhandy for. Check out the 3215 it is a very comfortable, easy operating, agile tractor. I hope our honest opinion has been some help.
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Dave is right, being you have the JCB, to do the big jobs, a smaller more agile tractor is what you need. The 3215 HST with a ML111 loader, and a 60" or 72" rear finish mower would suit your needs very well. You will find the loader very handy for the numerous small jobs, which getting out the big machine would be unhandy for. Check out the 3215 it is a very comfortable, easy operating, agile tractor. I hope our honest opinion has been some help.
Galen LaWall
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Onederdog
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It's kind of funny in a way, buying my house was an easier decision to make. I finally got a chance tonight to stop by my local dealer (Hobby Tractor in Pleasant Grove, Ut). Very very helpful and friendly brothers/owners. I've talked to them before, but never got any pricing.
The difference between the 3510 to the 5500 4wd is not as great as I thought it would be (3k). What is really a sticker shocker is the FEL going from 4400.00 for the ML112 to 5400.00 for the ML245.
The dealer mentioned just the same as you wise folks online, cutting lawn with a utility tractor is not the way to go. You need something much lighter even with turf tires. Thanks, Dave and Galen!!
Just when I had narrowed down the search to either very small, like the 3510 or 3215, or very large like the 5500 4wd, I got an email from another dealer up north of here with a new (last years model) 4110 with remotes ML112 loader for 17,775.00. That's a saving of 5400.00 over a new one. Just when I had convinced myself not to get the 4110 because it's light weight and not a true Mahindra.
Well, it must be time to go to bed and sleep on it.
Bruce /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
The difference between the 3510 to the 5500 4wd is not as great as I thought it would be (3k). What is really a sticker shocker is the FEL going from 4400.00 for the ML112 to 5400.00 for the ML245.
The dealer mentioned just the same as you wise folks online, cutting lawn with a utility tractor is not the way to go. You need something much lighter even with turf tires. Thanks, Dave and Galen!!
Just when I had narrowed down the search to either very small, like the 3510 or 3215, or very large like the 5500 4wd, I got an email from another dealer up north of here with a new (last years model) 4110 with remotes ML112 loader for 17,775.00. That's a saving of 5400.00 over a new one. Just when I had convinced myself not to get the 4110 because it's light weight and not a true Mahindra.
Well, it must be time to go to bed and sleep on it.
Bruce /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Just a note: The 3510 and the 4110 use the same frame. Engine HP is different. If the 4110 is a new "last years model", Id thing that might be a real deal. BobG in VA
I think you'd be very pleased with the 4110, though I do think it'd be too heavy for general use as a mower. They are tough, heavy machines. I have a forester/wildlife biologist acquaintence that runs a couple of the 4110's in his consulting business (clearing forest lanes, spraying forest understory, working foodplots, etc.) and he loves them. I initially checked out the Mahindra brand based on his recommendation. Since I didn't need the size/HP of the 4110, I opted for the 2615.
Good luck,
BR
Good luck,
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My personal opinion is anything bigger than a 3215 would be heck on grass. I'd probably opt for a smaller tractor than even the 4110. The price on it is right, but generally you can buy them with a fel for 19 to 20 depending on location with fel, so even though it's way under msrp, as a dealer here told me you could retire if you sold them at msrp.
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Onederdog
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Well, we now know that with a bigger tractor we're going to have to bite the bullet and also get a regular riding mower, I guess there is only so much you can ask of one piece of equipment.
Yesterday I emailed the dealer up north and ask a couple of questions about how many hrs. on it etc.. So far I've had no response. I'm not sure what think about that.
In the mean time, I contacted my other dealer who is much closer to where I live anyway. He said that if the tractor is still on the distributor inventory, he can just transfer it down here and I can buy it through him. So, he says he called many many times today and finally got ahold of the salesman that sent me the email with the price (17,775).
Well, now the dealer down here says that he didn't think they would honor the price because, he say's its less then they paid for it.
Kind of sounds like I'm in for the continuing saga of "As the tractor turns" or maybe "All my implements"
I'll give the up north dealer a call tomorrow and see what the story is.
If it's still on the market for the 17.7k it's going to be mine.
I did find out that the dealer up north purchased it last June (its a 2005 model), it has 3 hrs. on it and it also has the quik connect on the ML112, and the optional remote. Great!! just can't pass it up, although you know what is said about a deal that is too good to be true.
Bruce
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Yesterday I emailed the dealer up north and ask a couple of questions about how many hrs. on it etc.. So far I've had no response. I'm not sure what think about that.
In the mean time, I contacted my other dealer who is much closer to where I live anyway. He said that if the tractor is still on the distributor inventory, he can just transfer it down here and I can buy it through him. So, he says he called many many times today and finally got ahold of the salesman that sent me the email with the price (17,775).
Well, now the dealer down here says that he didn't think they would honor the price because, he say's its less then they paid for it.
Kind of sounds like I'm in for the continuing saga of "As the tractor turns" or maybe "All my implements"
I'll give the up north dealer a call tomorrow and see what the story is.
If it's still on the market for the 17.7k it's going to be mine.
I did find out that the dealer up north purchased it last June (its a 2005 model), it has 3 hrs. on it and it also has the quik connect on the ML112, and the optional remote. Great!! just can't pass it up, although you know what is said about a deal that is too good to be true.
Bruce
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Onederdog
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Well, it's a done deal. Took Friday off work and drove north with the cashiers check and the 4110 is mine (and the banks). The dealer couldn't find the operators manual, so for now I'll just have to guess at what does what until the manual comes in. We'll try to get the neighbor boy with their riding mower to do the mowing for this season.
Now, if I only had some implements so I could actually use the tractor!!
With the FEL I can at least muck out the sheep area's. We had brought all the ewe's home from the farm to lamb earlier this year, and they made quite a mess of the round pen. Thirty lambs this year and we never lost a one.
For the sake of being able to use my existing trailer, I'm glad I didn't get any bigger of a tractor. I'd say the 4110 was just about the limit for the trailer and my truck.
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Now, if I only had some implements so I could actually use the tractor!!
With the FEL I can at least muck out the sheep area's. We had brought all the ewe's home from the farm to lamb earlier this year, and they made quite a mess of the round pen. Thirty lambs this year and we never lost a one.
For the sake of being able to use my existing trailer, I'm glad I didn't get any bigger of a tractor. I'd say the 4110 was just about the limit for the trailer and my truck.
Bruce /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Congrats! I know you'll be pleased with the 4110. Don't let the lack of implements stop you. I'm sure you can find plenty of work for that FEL if you look hard enough. The day my 2615 was delivered, I strapped my trash can to the FEL and took it to the top of the drive. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Seat time is seat time, no matter what the task.
Keep us posted and get some pictures of it in action.
BR
Keep us posted and get some pictures of it in action.
BR
