Ford 1700 diesel starting issue

[geozeitl]

Thanks for all your expertise. Just a little new on the diesel engines thing

 

[TimberHole]

Maybe you didn’t realize it but if you need pump work thepumpguysc is your guy. He’s where I’d send mine just based upon the many good reports I’ve read here not to mention his willingness to help us here on the forum free of charge.

 

[toukow]

Thanks for all your expertise. Just a little new on the diesel engines thing

I do not have a clue as to the failure mode of the pumps, but I know mine started consuming oil. I set a reminder to check it periodically, changed the oil frequently, and was glad I did. Just sayin, Dean

 

[geozeitl]

Thanks dean, were you talking about the injector pump. There is no window to check the fluid in the pump

 

[toukow]

Thanks dean, were you talking about the injector pump. There is no window to check the fluid in the pump

You are correct, no level check windows. There are two screws on the accessible side of pump, one may be a 8 mm bolt that are the drain and fill points. My manual called out using engine oil to refill until it overflows the fill point. I have a large hypodermic I used to fill it, or small funnel. Does not take much oil. Search the forum as I think someone posted photos, may be be wrong. Cheap insurance to drain and fill yearly, but mine had its level dropping some so required more frequent checking. Dean

 

[mike48130]

You are correct, no level check windows. There are two screws on the accessible side of pump, one may be a 8 mm bolt that are the drain and fill points. My manual called out using engine oil to refill until it overflows the fill point. I have a large hypodermic I used to fill it, or small funnel. Does not take much oil. Search the forum as I think someone posted photos, may be be wrong. Cheap insurance to drain and fill yearly, but mine had its level dropping some so required more frequent checking. Dean

An oil can works good to fill it.

How long are you cranking it when it doesn't start? These 2 cylinders seem to take longer when it is colder. I usually hold the GP until the coil glows bright red, then hold for about wait 15-30 sec depending on outside temperature. My 1700 will start in any temperature with the GP's working.

There are some additives out there for cold weather too, but 60 deg isn't that cold.

How is the battery? Is it turning over fast enough?

And, where do you keep the throttle? I usually do about half throttle.

 

[geozeitl]

Did try the glowplug for a longer period and didn't get any better results. Removed the fuel injectors and having them rebuilt. Not sure if they where ever worked on before but just doing the process of elimination to find this problem

 

[toukow]

Did try the glowplug for a longer period and didn't get any better results. Removed the fuel injectors and having them rebuilt. Not sure if they where ever worked on before but just doing the process of elimination to find this problem

Probably money well spent on rebuilding the injectors, given the age. I'm looking into doing that on a gasoline 76 Eldorado, and the price was cheap. My understanding is that they don't really do much when rebuilding injectors, but ultrasonic cleaning and minor replacements. If it always started before with your regular process, obviously something else is going on.

Rereading the thread, I did not see where you cracked open the nut ahead of the injector and verified fuel was flowing to the injector, maybe I missed that. Whether that proves adequate pressure is another thing.

I had setup a notification on Ebay for items for the 1700, given the scarcity of parts. I thought I saw someone was selling the injector pump re-manufactured on Ebay, but could be wrong.

Parts was one reason I traded it in, but mainly due to no power steering and I hated the ergonomics with size 14 shoes as I'm getting older. It was a **** for stout tractor and suffered fools gladly (me). I abused it out of ignorance (being my first tractor) with a three point backhoe, and never had any issues in that regard. If I did that on my Kioti or any other new tractor in this size category, I'd void the warranty I'm sure. I only had issues with the steering sector (Ebay), but that was due to a tree falling on it with a previous owner. And replaced the water pump (Ebay).

Great tractor! Forgive the ramblings, Dean

 

[geozeitl]

Hi Dean, l do have fuel going to the injectors with cracking the nut. While getting the injectors rebuilt l did another compression test and have 390 on both sides which l think is very good. I don't have power steering either, it would be nice. I do like the tractor though. The body is in nice shape. Motor seemed to lack power when using my tiller or cutter, hoping the injectors will make a difference

 

[geozeitl]

Got the injectors installed today. After bleeding the system and a few cranks finally turn over. I noticed no more engine knock and an idle speed of 800 rpm, before LTE would die out about 1000rpm. Also alot more power than before. A little smokey though. Wonder if its diesel in the oil from all the times before cranking and cranking? Thanks for all your expertise everyone

 

[thepumpguysc]

Just work it hard for an hour or so & THEN tell us about the smoke.. {color}
Glad its running better..

 

[geozeitl]

Thanks for your help, will let you know

 

[geozeitl]

Hi everyone, anyone have the torque specs for the fuel injectors on the ford1700 l torqued them at 55ft pounds but notice slight bubbling around the threads. There is the copper washer the injector seat? And one of the injectors seemed like it loosened up?

 

[thepumpguysc]

U can torque them all u like, but if the surfaces aren't flat, your wasting your time.
THERE IS a copper washer in the head that seals the injector to the head seat..
U may have cracked the noz. nut.??

 

[geozeitl]

I will monitor it. It didn't seem like a flat surface looking g in the injector hole. I did snug them up and will monitor. After using it yesterday still seem to notice white smoke from the exhaust and also from the valve cover breather3

 

[thepumpguysc]

Whenever I change/remove an injector, I always run a piece of Scotch-Brite attached to a rod & a drill, up & down the holes..
Engage the stop lever on the inj. pump & then spin the engine over to blow out the results..
Be aware of the copper gasket on the end of the injector.. MOST TIMES they get left in the head & are carboned up & not noticeable..
Then when the new ones come in, either the washer gets doubled up or is left out..
Its BEST to replace them.. & if that isn't an option {for some reason} take it out, sand it down, flip it over & retighten the injector.

 

[geozeitl]

Thanks again, l really notice the extra power when running the tractor. Still seems a little hard to start yet. He'd the glow plugs on for 45 seconds. Is it ok to hold them on that long or possibly longer. Manual says hold for 30 sec

 

[Btown]

My 1700 always needed the glow plugs to. Even when it was 90F out. Traded up to a Ford 1920 and it’s night and day difference. No glow plugs needed till under freezing and it has power steering a single loader level. The 1700 was nice and compact.

 

[geozeitl]

Yup, it's a nice tractor, maybe lm a little impatient with trying to start it. It's a older but it has alot of power and in nice shape. I'd post a picture but not to tech savvy

 

[geozeitl]

Hello everyone, on a ford 1700 , does the glow plugs come on even when trying to start the tractor? I know when you turn the key to the left it activates them but l noticed the also come on when trying to start it