troutsqueezer
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Don't matter what I want. The weather is on a set course and there ain't nothin' we can do to stop it. I'll be dead by the time it makes much difference anyway.
Forecasters warn that "Godzilla El Nino" could hit U.S.
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Don't matter what I want. The weather is on a set course and there ain't nothin' we can do to stop it. I'll be dead by the time it makes much difference anyway.
troutsqueezer
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Don't matter what I want. The weather is on a set course and there ain't nothin' we can do to stop it. I'll be dead by the time it makes much difference anyway.
EddieWalker
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One of the tricks used by those pushing for more government control is to confuse litter with man made global warming. Then they also like to change the name to climate change because that covers everything that happens naturally, but now you can blame it on human activity instead of mother nature. More rain this year then last year, it's climate change. One super hot day over the summer, it's climate change. An above average hurricane that does a lot of damage because the city refused to prepare for it, or do anything after it hits is climate change, and then a decade of no hurricanes and it's climate change.
And during all the discussions, the questions that are never answered id what is the ideal temperature of the planet that we are supposed to be at? What are the pros and cons of warmer weather? When has colder weather ever been better? Has a single prediction of all the horrible things that will happen come true?
And during all the discussions, the questions that are never answered id what is the ideal temperature of the planet that we are supposed to be at? What are the pros and cons of warmer weather? When has colder weather ever been better? Has a single prediction of all the horrible things that will happen come true?
TCJatko
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I do hope this time the forecast is correct. I have not had a really good snow season since 2010. Last year really sucked.
So I pray for snow every winter.
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One where you can't see weeds sticking up in the snow.
Be careful what you wish for. When I was in the USAF at Hill AFB we had 60 inches of snow in December 1983. Remember when the Great Salt Lake flooded I-80?
TCJatko
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At the end of the day the skeptics case rests upon the actual data, whereas the human caused climate change case rests upon assumptions made to create climate models that seek to predict future climate. Over the years the actual data collected has contradicted and falsified the very assumptions that led to the sensational predictions of climate models.
Even so we live in an era where the political and social environment that has taught anthropomorphic climate change as the gospel in our public and private schools, and as a result, at least two generations hold to the thesis as a near religion. So-called do-gooders in collusion with our government have passed laws in order to curb the human contribution toward climate change. Politically, if it was ever admitted that the science underlying the human contribution to climate change thesis was fixed, subsidies for continuing research, education, wind, solar, ethanol, batteries, distribution and many other cottage industries would be in doubt. Multi-billion dollar industries have formed on the coattails of the human contribution to climate change thesis and many have so much skin in the game that it never mattered whether the science was true or not. Hundreds of millions have been conditioned to pay more for green technology than conventional technology and there is too much money involved, too much profit to change. Intellectually, in our centers for education, there has been too much energy put into teaching the gospel of human climate change and the philosophy will continue to be taught regardless of facts because human-caused climate change has become the orthodoxy of our day.
As a result you won already, Tom. After all, nothing would be green without CO2.
AGW: the biggest scam the world has ever seen
flusher
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El Nino looks like a good bet to happen later this year.
Southern CA will likely get a good drenching. I lived in Orange County in the 1990s when we had several EL Nino events. One of them caused the Santa Ana River to nearly top the levees which would have flooded my neighborhood.
However, here in Northern CA it's 50/50 (historically) whether any given El Nino will mean gully washers. Which is bad news for drought alleviation since nearly all of the large reservoirs that capture snow melt and rain runoff are located here. These reservoirs are running dry in a hurry.
Consequently, the agriculture industry in CA has been pumping ground water like there's no tomorrow. That's dramatically lowering the water table in the Great Central Valley and in the North Sacramento Valley. Ground subsidence is a real problem in areas between Bakersfield and Stockton. Causes leaks and breaks in the large and small irrigation canals.
I checked the most recent ground water elevation (GWE) maps that were released last month. At my former ranch in Tehama County the water level in shallow wells (200 feet deep or less) has dropped about 30 feet in the 2004-14 period. In the one year period covering 2013-14, the drop was about 12 feet. My guess is that most of that 30 ft drop has happened in the past four years of severe drought that has caused the orchard growers in my neighborhood to pump groundwater year round to save their trees.
When my well was drilled in May 2005, the water level stood about 55 ft below ground level. In July 2014 my neighbor's well (pump at 90 ft level) went dry. It's about 500 ft away from my well which is 154 feet deep with the pump at the 120 ft level. If the water table continues to drop at 12 ft/year, my pump should become uncovered in 2-3 years. The pump (1.5 hp, 30 gal/min) could be lowered to maybe 135 ft but that could cause sediment in the bottom of the well to be stirred up by the pump. So better filters would have to be installed. That would buy maybe a year of extended service from that well.
After that time a new well would have to be drilled. The existing well has 6" dia steel casing and cost $21/ft to drill in 2005. Total cost of the existing well was $5500. Today that drilling cost here in Northern CA is $50-60/ft. A new well would have to be drilled into a lower strata at 400-500 ft depth. So figure ~ $30,000 for that deep well.
That's one of the reasons I sold the place in Jan 2015 after 10 years of satisfied ownership.
Southern CA will likely get a good drenching. I lived in Orange County in the 1990s when we had several EL Nino events. One of them caused the Santa Ana River to nearly top the levees which would have flooded my neighborhood.
However, here in Northern CA it's 50/50 (historically) whether any given El Nino will mean gully washers. Which is bad news for drought alleviation since nearly all of the large reservoirs that capture snow melt and rain runoff are located here. These reservoirs are running dry in a hurry.
Consequently, the agriculture industry in CA has been pumping ground water like there's no tomorrow. That's dramatically lowering the water table in the Great Central Valley and in the North Sacramento Valley. Ground subsidence is a real problem in areas between Bakersfield and Stockton. Causes leaks and breaks in the large and small irrigation canals.
I checked the most recent ground water elevation (GWE) maps that were released last month. At my former ranch in Tehama County the water level in shallow wells (200 feet deep or less) has dropped about 30 feet in the 2004-14 period. In the one year period covering 2013-14, the drop was about 12 feet. My guess is that most of that 30 ft drop has happened in the past four years of severe drought that has caused the orchard growers in my neighborhood to pump groundwater year round to save their trees.
When my well was drilled in May 2005, the water level stood about 55 ft below ground level. In July 2014 my neighbor's well (pump at 90 ft level) went dry. It's about 500 ft away from my well which is 154 feet deep with the pump at the 120 ft level. If the water table continues to drop at 12 ft/year, my pump should become uncovered in 2-3 years. The pump (1.5 hp, 30 gal/min) could be lowered to maybe 135 ft but that could cause sediment in the bottom of the well to be stirred up by the pump. So better filters would have to be installed. That would buy maybe a year of extended service from that well.
After that time a new well would have to be drilled. The existing well has 6" dia steel casing and cost $21/ft to drill in 2005. Total cost of the existing well was $5500. Today that drilling cost here in Northern CA is $50-60/ft. A new well would have to be drilled into a lower strata at 400-500 ft depth. So figure ~ $30,000 for that deep well.
That's one of the reasons I sold the place in Jan 2015 after 10 years of satisfied ownership.
kcflhrc
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If I had a dime for every time a forecaster or dooms dayer was wrong I would be a rich man. It's gonna do what it's gonna do and there isn't a **** thing we can do about it so why get in a tither about something you cant change? Pick your battles and you will live a lot longer.
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If you do not believe that the entire AGW hoax is not politically motivated...just look at the methods used by the AGW zealots...
...first they label and attempt to demonize anyone that voices the remotest thoughts that climate change is natural and not man made...(sound politically familiar?)
It has been suggested (by at least one liberal senator) that "deniers" should jailed (yes jailed! :laughing: ) that is how far they have been misguided...
Currently the ploy to demonize anyone that relies on factual data and not the creed (or the convoluted theories) of the misguided AGW zealots is to label them "deniers" and compare them to the same ilk that deny that the **** holocaust occurred...
BTW...Albert Einstein said:..."If the facts don't fit the theory....change the facts"
...first they label and attempt to demonize anyone that voices the remotest thoughts that climate change is natural and not man made...(sound politically familiar?)
It has been suggested (by at least one liberal senator) that "deniers" should jailed (yes jailed! :laughing: ) that is how far they have been misguided...
Currently the ploy to demonize anyone that relies on factual data and not the creed (or the convoluted theories) of the misguided AGW zealots is to label them "deniers" and compare them to the same ilk that deny that the **** holocaust occurred...
BTW...Albert Einstein said:..."If the facts don't fit the theory....change the facts"
SirReal63
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At the end of the day the skeptics case rests upon the actual data, whereas the human caused climate change case rests upon assumptions made to create climate models that seek to predict future climate. Over the years the actual data collected has contradicted and falsified the very assumptions that led to the sensational predictions of climate models.
Even so we live in an era where the political and social environment that has taught anthropomorphic climate change as the gospel in our public and private schools, and as a result, at least two generations hold to the thesis as a near religion. So-called do-gooders in collusion with our government have passed laws in order to curb the human contribution toward climate change. Politically, if it was ever admitted that the science underlying the human contribution to climate change thesis was fixed, subsidies for continuing research, education, wind, solar, ethanol, batteries, distribution and many other cottage industries would be in doubt. Multi-billion dollar industries have formed on the coattails of the human contribution to climate change thesis and many have so much skin in the game that it never mattered whether the science was true or not. Hundreds of millions have been conditioned to pay more for green technology than conventional technology and there is too much money involved, too much profit to change. Intellectually, in our centers for education, there has been too much energy put into teaching the gospel of human climate change and the philosophy will continue to be taught regardless of facts because human-caused climate change has become the orthodoxy of our day.
As a result you won already, Tom. After all, nothing would be green without CO2.
That is the reality, money controls everything. They had to change from global warming when it was discovered it wasn't really warming out of the norm, so now it is climate change, so that anything that happens can be more easily justified.
To add to that rabbit hole, an uneducated public is more likely to follow the advice and words of the educated. Our educational standards have been falling for the past 100 years or so and it makes it easier to manipulate the masses. This thread alone shows just how many out of any subset have been manipulated, and believe it all to be true. Actual data is now irrelevant because finding it is getting harder. Try looking up historical temperature for any area. Ten years ago you would get hundreds of hits, showing the daily temps, both highs and lows since temps were recorded in the area. Now you have to either know where it is, get lucky or pay for it and it rarely goes back more than 50 years.
As long as there is money to be made from GW/CC the scam will be perpetuated. Scientists rarely go for true science but rather go with where their next paycheck will be coming from. The few scientists who held up their hand and said "wait, this isn't right and is B.S." have had their careers ended, been discredited or have been lucky enough to find a meager amount of funding by the AGW crowd.
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