Found a coyote, I think

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Just sat down and before I could sign in my wife asked "what's Sandy up to?"

John you have a loyal following. Look for updates every day. Just wondering if you tried taking the other dogs out with her at night and if it made any difference.

David
 
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We've been looking at Sandy's smarts, trying to be consistent and non threatening with her in order to connect the best we can and see who she is without her being afraid.

At one month old she knew the word "eat" and would respond to "be nice" by calming down. She would climb the steps and knew to duck under the door. She would go up and wait, in a ducked down posture, for us to swing the door open. Shortly later she knew "go home" and would run back to the house. And "up" would make her climb up onto the couch.

It's hard to tell what she knows and what she doesn't, compared to what she wants to do. She is not motivated to please us, but she does want to greet us. She is stubborn in continuing to do what she is told not to.

Last night she would not stop chewing on some of my papers that were within reach. Completely ignoring me. I'd pull her away and say no, I'd tap her nose and say no. Over and over. Finally I swatted her nose with a rolled up magazine right when she was reaching for the paper. It startled her enough to stop. But, of course she wanted something to chew. I gave her an old sock and she settled right down and was satisfied with it

Outside, she won't really come when called, but she will come for a treat. Yesterday afternoon I started rattling the treat can and today she knew to come when she heard it.

At about four weeks we noted that she was becoming house broken. Not perfect, but never made a mess in her bed, ever. Now she wakes up and waits for us to take her out. She can hold it for a long time if needed and then goes immediately when taken out. She will run and play outside, but return to the same spot to go.

She can ride in the car for hours without a problem and never gets car sick. We estimate she has ridden over 2,000 miles in the car all together. Never sick and never a mess. Some bed politics are always in play in the car. Bei Bei gets fed up with the crowding and makes her move occasionally with a sharp snap. These trips usually are about 260-280 miles long and last for about 5-6 hours. Sometimes they include stops for shopping or visits. One place we go she knows well already and settles right in when we get there. It's not too easy to stop and let her out while traveling because she takes a while to settle down enough to go.

It's very clear that she is good natured and tolerant. If not, riding in the car could be a big problem. Sometimes she gets testy, but a firm "be nice" with a pointed finger usually settles her down. If she starts squirming, Liye might hold her for a while and she loves that. And remember, each trip includes the three dogs and a cat. We have even done it in my truck with all of us in the cab!

So, in conclusion so far, she kind of knows the plan during outings, can be told to be nice if she is wanting to playbite. Loves to be outside on her own and will come if called with a treat. She seems very self assured, or just at home with herself and not looking for a master. She is who she is. Very natural. Very healthy and strong. Perfectly adapted to this terrain and adaptable.

Most importantly, she never freaks out and goes wild with fear. Hard to control sometimes, yes, but never an outright panic. I get the impression from her close communications with me, mainly through mouth actions, that she is always aware of her situation. The kind of communications I mean are tongue through the lips, gentle biting, wolf kisses, exposing her belly, etc. But even when scared or mad, she only bites hard enough to give a message. Always in control of herself. Mainly just communication. Not out of control rage or fear.

As was suggested to me I've now decided to not allow her to mouth me anymore. It's one of her favorite ways to interact, but probably not a good idea overall. As I sit here now, she just woke up. I clicked and she looked over. I invited her to visit and she came right over to see me. Her head bows down between her legs and I scratch her ears and shoulder. Completely gentle. Now it's time to go out and do a bit more exploring before it gets too late.

She is not as calm as our other dogs, but they are much older. She is more likely to bite than the domestic dogs I've had, but it's not a shredding kind of serious threat, so much as a protest. I'm not afraid to handle her unless she is in the worst of the worst moods, but soon that passes or we come to an understanding.

She has no interest at all in escaping. None. And if she balks at coming in after being out for a bit, I just leave her tied up and come in without her. Sometimes she balks at going out in the same way. Five minutes later I go out and she trots right in like it was her idea. Stubborn? Maybe. Or cautious. Either one could illicit the same response. But being left behind is worse.

Beyond all of her behaviors I just look at her as a little animal that is completely natural. No human breeding intervention. No history with humans in her past ancestry that I know of. Just a natural dog perfectly adapted to the wild country she lives in. That is physically, not mentally, as we have intervened seriously. But the perfection of her design, size, color and abilities is something to marvel at.

Like any dog I've known, she is right out there in all she does and feels. She's completely secure here with her pack and will sleep soundly in the middle of the living room with all of us here. The only tricky thing I've seen her do is try to get a toy from Bei Bei. She'll try different tactics to get up close without being noticed or without being suspected. Circling slowly and quietly, rolling around and working her way closer while looking like she is playing, avoiding eye contact. Tricky stuff that is so funny. Trying to trick another dog.

All of this at seven weeks old. About the age many of us get domestic dogs and begin our journey with them. We started with her at about two days old.

It's easy to see why she is so enduring. So much personality and so much to show us. I will never have another chance to be in this situation again and it is so interesting. We've established a bond of loyalty and trust that we both feel. Yet, danger lurks right outside in the form of hunters, laws, other animals, animal control. We will keep her from endangering other people or pets. So we seek advice and help in finding the best next chapter for her. A future that doesn't include death just for the sake of "public safety" or sport. But our quest must be done quietly because of all the dangers I've mentioned. And, in the meantime, we learn and have fun.

So now the conversation returns to "what next?". Good question. I'll contemplate it some more as she sleeps here at my feet and as I let her out again later this afternoon.
 
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A few more pix of Sandy.
 

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   / Found a coyote, I think
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Just sat down and before I could sign in my wife asked "what's Sandy up to?"

John you have a loyal following. Look for updates every day. Just wondering if you tried taking the other dogs out with her at night and if it made any difference.

David


David,

Thanks for the nice comment.

We do take her out at night with the other dogs, but not to walk as she doesn't do the leash well yet. Also, we don't let her loose at night because that's when the other coyotes are out and we can't see her.

She doesn't like to be out by herself and we use that to motivate her to come in on the leash without a struggle.


John
 
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John I think you and your wife are doing excellent with Sandy.
She progressing beautifly, you can see that she doesn't want to be away from Bei Bei, which is a good thing as she will get a better handle on some things.
There is always learning on both sides, our female wolf is 8yrs and the male is4yrs old. She started slowing down around 4 or 5 and I can aready see him calming down some now. He still is ready to go outside and run around, but comes in and takes a nap more often. Sandy showing her belly is a sign of submission and I don't believe you will have as much trouble out of her with dominance issues with her being a female. Our female's biggest issue was with house breaking, I don't believe it was the idea of going outside, ( which she did and did her business) as much as a scent thing because she would come in and squat in front of my wife. they fought like that for a few days before she learned that wasn't acceptable. You can imagine how fun it was while that was going on! The boy is more bullheaded, when he comes for loving, you best get it because he isn't affectionet all the time.
But I think that you guys are really handling it well.
Do you use the wire crates for the dogs? We do for ours, most times the door is open and they just use them as their cave. Shadow wants nothing but he bowl in hers and Weasel's well just think about a teenages room, I don't know how he finds room to sleep in there.

Have fun and enjoy the time with her

Randy
 
   / Found a coyote, I think #126  
John,

Sandy is doing lots of puppy things it sounds like. I would recommend not hitting her on the nose this can lead to an accidental bite if someone attempts to pet her. You did the right thing taking the paper away and giving her some thing else. I would suggest a nylabone or a rugged chew toy. The biting doesn't sound like it is aggressive but puppy play. Dogs as puppy's explore with there mouth same as a child does. It is your responsibility to keep things away from her that you don't want damaged even your fingers.

At only 7 weeks old she is a puppy. Most dogs don't mature until 2years, she is doing well just testing you be firm and consistent with both reprimand and praise use the neck shake as mother would and when you reprimand follow by ignoring for a short time. Still very early to shou willingness to please..

By the way when I was a kid we had a pet fox. She was a wild pup that my dad found looked abandoned only a few days to wweek old. It was fed with a baby bottle ang grew to a juice pet until an accidental death. My dad treated her like a puppy and she did well. Just because Sandy was born wild don't give up.
 
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Putting this story back on page one. I love reading about your adventures. I have seven dogs of my own, every day is an adventure here...
 
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Sandy has now been able to roam free, during the day, for about a week. It's been a complete success! At first she came romping by every few minutes and was almost always in view. But lately she is gone for quite a while and even calling her isn't very effective. Once in a while I will call as I'm looking around and all of a sudden I see a pair of ears sticking up in the bushes as she watches me. I'm hoping her territory doesn't keep expanding to where she gets herself in trouble.

If I go out looking for her I look around the house within 100 feet or so. Soon I might see her moving about and it reminds me of a cat. She knows I'm there, but sees little need in coming to me. She might, but it's not reliable.

Now we reward her for coming back to the porch and give her a treat. Each time we do we rattle the can. So we tried rattling the treat can to call her and it works great. She is very likely to show up but usually looks very sleepy. We discovered that she has set up a den under our container. She dug out an entrance between the container and some wire fencing that was leaning there. A nice secure spot that is out of the sun. We also noticed that she likes being under one of the trees instead of out in the sun. So, she is spending her time, during the day, sleeping in her den, in the cool shade.

Interesting that sometimes she wants to be with her pack and sometimes she is happy to sleep in her new den, that she made.

She has also begun eating bugs and chasing lizards. So I'm going to try and teach her to hunt and see if I can help her to become more self sufficient in her natural environment.

Since we can't find a permanent home where she can be properly cared for and safe, we are doing the best we can. She seems happier than ever. It is becoming more clear that consistency and stability of the pack and her home, is very important to her. When things are in order she is very happy and relaxed. If we take her to go visit friends for the evening, she can become difficult until we get back home. Just being able to pee in the same place and sleep in the same place seems like the issue for her. We'd like to be able to leave her and go out for the entire day or even all night, but we can't because she can't stay in and she can't stay out.

I'm currently away for a few days but will post more pictures when I get home. She is growing like a weed and we see changes every day!
 
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I think you made a good call. At least this way she has a chance to assimilate. She may live in both worlds forever, or may go off on her own. At least she has a choice...good or bad(in us readers opinions) it is what it is.
 
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John,

If you are going to let her roam, I would suggest putting a "hunter's safety orange" collar on her.
 

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