Fuel, 101 way's to get it

[Oldpath05]

This is the tank I have:

Square Transfer Tank - Brite-Tread

I believe I paid about $350-400 for it, but don't remember where I ordered from. They also have steel tanks for a lower price. Tractor Supply sells many of these tanks in different sizes and styles.

Mine is bolted to a heavy duty pallet which I strap down on my truck or trailer.

The weight is minor -- well under the lift capacity of my L3200 which can lift around 1200# or so.

Find me something cheaper, I check that tank, I do like it but $570.00 is about $500.00 more than I can afford. Sounds like your L3200 has more grunt then my L3400, what's up with that.

 

[s219]

Find me something cheaper, I check that tank, I do like it but $570.00 is about $500.00 more than I can afford. Sounds like your L3200 has more grunt then my L3400, what's up with that.

What model loader on the L3400? If it's the LA463, that's rated for about 1014# at the pins. And that is at full height, so it will have more lifting capacity down low.

 

[stuckmotor]

He got left on an uncharted planet and the Federation wont let me contact him.

What became of Mudd's women?

 

[Oldpath05]

Lots of much easier ways to deal with fuel rather than hand lifting 5 gallon containers. 35-55 gallon drums in either plastic or metal are common solutions combined with a hand pump / electric pumps with water absorbing filters. I found many 100 gallon steel tanks for sale 5 or 6 years ago including DC pumps so that is what I bought and am using. I also picked up a free 275 gallon TOTE tank that I use as spare reservoir to hold the required 150 gallons of fuel purchase in order for my local distributor to home deliver. Since diesel will not go bad for years as long as water isn't present, I don't have a problem with storage of that amount. I don't use as much fuel now as I once did and 100 gallons lasts me all year.

As for refilling 55 gallon drums and unloading them, I used to unload many drums while in the army and the method was a single ramp centered on the drum and then just rolled off the truck, if possible, into some soft sand to stop it's momentum. You really don't need a pallet, pallet forks and FEL to get them off a truck if you don't have that available.

We used an outside storage upright gravity feed tank on the farm which is about the cheapest solution if you don't mind outside storage. Water will accumulate in this type of storage tank and has to be drained off occasionally. It wasn't a problem with the high sulfur fuels back 50 years ago, but may require a biocide additive in todays ultra-low sulfur fuels if you want to use that type.

I kind of like the plastic 35 gal. solution, seems to me there is less condensation with plastic and the cost per gal., 35 x $2.50/gal. that's all I want to pay at once.
As for unloading a 55 gal. barrel on it's edge down a plank, WOW I wasn't in the military so you have more courage then I do. I'm thinking of a out side platform, pickup bed high, then if using the gravity pump, I guess the barrel would have to be 3 ft. higher then that to be higher then the tractor.

 

[Oldpath05]

Old Path, do you use oil to heat your house? Got a 275g out side?:thumbsup:

Na, my house is still wood powered, I did give that a thought.

 

[Oldpath05]

i recently purchased a 55gal fuel transfer tank system called Enduraplas.

odd name, but cool system.It includes plastic fuel tank,electric fuel pump,diesel self shutoff nozzle. all in one.Pumps up to 10 GPM.

Ive used it and fills nice and fast with me standing on ground instead of balancing on tire with 5 gal can. I can load it on truck bed with forklift and fuel at gas station. Ive installed it on plywood platform with 4 roller wheels for easy storage. Im very happy.

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Now that' the best set up I seen so far, good way to go if one has $700.00.

 

[Oldpath05]

What became of Mudd's women?

I think one of them is living happily ever after on Rigel 12 with out the pills after she showed her new found boy friend how to cook and clean the dishes.

 

[Oldpath05]

What model loader on the L3400? If it's the LA463, that's rated for about 1014# at the pins. And that is at full height, so it will have more lifting capacity down low.

Your right, I had to look at the manual, at what pins? What's in the bucket is how I measure lift and it sure dont seem like half a ton in it, but maybe it is. So if a 55 gal. barrel diesel weighs 400 lbs. my L3400 should be able to handle it ok, my wallet, not so sure.

 

[Handloader109]

Just setting mine up. Two 55gallon plastic hdpe drums. One harbor freight hand crank pump. Got to get some 1inch hose... Fill 55gallon drum that is in your truck. Drive home and install pump. Pump into drum on the ground, or on pallet that can be moved. I'll make a roller cart. One drum is empty, move pump to ground base drum. Fill tractor as needed. No lifting necessary. No lifting full drum. But you do have to pump 55 gallons twice.

 

[Wagtail]

scuckmotor "What became of Mudd's women?"

I think one of them is living happily ever after on Rigel 12 with out the pills after she showed her new found boy friend how to cook and clean the dishes.

[Stardate 1329.1] All three women married the lithium crystal miners of Rigel XII.

 

[newbury]

<snip> Since diesel will not go bad for years as long as water isn't present, <snip> It wasn't a problem with the high sulfur fuels back 50 years ago, but may require a biocide additive in todays ultra-low sulfur fuels if you want to use that type.

Need the biocide with today's fuels.

I kind of like the plastic 35 gal. solution, seems to me there is less condensation with plastic and the cost per gal., 35 x $2.50/gal. that's all I want to pay at once.<snip>

Have you looked at the offerings at Northern Tool? They've a 14 gallon solution for $110.

 

[Oldpath05]

Just setting mine up. Two 55gallon plastic hdpe drums. One harbor freight hand crank pump. Got to get some 1inch hose... Fill 55gallon drum that is in your truck. Drive home and install pump. Pump into drum on the ground, or on pallet that can be moved. I'll make a roller cart. One drum is empty, move pump to ground base drum. Fill tractor as needed. No lifting necessary. No lifting full drum. But you do have to pump 55 gallons twice.

That would be a great idea if had an electric pump, but it's still sound's better then trying to move 55 gal barrel by hand, even lifting it with tractor folks, for me might be dicey, unless I'm on flat ground and I have very little of that, that's why I'm leaning towards 2, 35 gal. barrels if I can find them. I'll check prices on hand pumps see if that's doable, never thought of looking at HF for it, thanks.

 

[Garycw]

I use 300 gal gas tank with 12vdc pump, and a 125gal diesel tank from tsc with two way hand pump. Fuel is delivered by Lykins energy. Best source for non ethanol gas & dyed diesel

 

[s219]

That would be a great idea if had an electric pump, but it's still sound's better then trying to move 55 gal barrel by hand, even lifting it with tractor folks, for me might be dicey, unless I'm on flat ground and I have very little of that, that's why I'm leaning towards 2, 35 gal. barrels if I can find them. I'll check prices on hand pumps see if that's doable, never thought of looking at HF for it, thanks.

While I use an aluminum transfer tank to procure fuel and store it in my barn, I use 55 gal plastic drums as fuel tanks for my generator. If I remember right, they had several sizes of these drums from 15, 30 gal on up to 55 gal. I ordered mine from Gemplers:

Closed-head Polyethylene Drums | GEMPLER'S

Grainger also sells them, as does Rural King and a few other places. I ordered a couple barrels at once since it made the shipping more reasonable.

A lot of people find these on Craigslist, but I had no luck -- I was looking for a barrel with threaded caps on top.

Be warned, these are not approved for transfer of fuel over the road, so you could possibly get ticketed.

Also, be wary of putting a hand pump on a plastic drums. The threaded cap holes are pretty thick, but I doubt they'd hold up to repeated cranking or pumping of a lever on a manual pump. A crank pump would be less stress on the drum than a lever pump, but the crank pumps generally have a lot lower flow rate. I put a lever pump on my aluminum tank, and it will do 0.5 gal per stroke. That means for every complete out-in stroke cycle, I move 1 gallon of fuel.

I just recently bought a 12V diesel pump from Northern Tool -- it was on sale and I used a $20 off $100 coupon to get a real good deal. I plan to install that on one of my generator fuel barrels so I can dispense fuel to my tractor and RTV. That will let me use up that generator diesel before it gets too old, and I can cycle fresh diesel into those storage tanks.

 

[Oldpath05]

scuckmotor "What became of Mudd's women?"



[Stardate 1329.1] All three women married the lithium crystal miners of Rigel XII.

And that' why I stop using Dylithium Crystals, those women took over the business and declared that girl power thing, equal pay, a women can be President, bla bla bla., wusses, they jacked the prices way up on the Crystals so only Star Fleet can afford them. Gotta go wife told me to get off my donkey and go to the store.

 

[Oldpath05]

While I use an aluminum transfer tank to procure fuel and store it in my barn, I use 55 gal plastic drums as fuel tanks for my generator. If I remember right, they had several sizes of these drums from 15, 30 gal on up to 55 gal. I ordered mine from Gemplers:

Closed-head Polyethylene Drums | GEMPLER'S

Grainger also sells them, as does Rural King and a few other places. I ordered a couple barrels at once since it made the shipping more reasonable.

A lot of people find these on Craigslist, but I had no luck -- I was looking for a barrel with threaded caps on top.

Be warned, these are not approved for transfer of fuel over the road, so you could possibly get ticketed.

Also, be wary of putting a hand pump on a plastic drums. The threaded cap holes are pretty thick, but I doubt they'd hold up to repeated cranking or pumping of a lever on a manual pump. A crank pump would be less stress on the drum than a lever pump, but the crank pumps generally have a lot lower flow rate. I put a lever pump on my aluminum tank, and it will do 0.5 gal per stroke. That means for every complete out-in stroke cycle, I move 1 gallon of fuel.

Lot of good points ya have here, thanks now you got me re-thinking plastic vs steel 30ish/gal barrel with a hand pump because of the plastic threads. And I would of thought a rotary pump would be quicker, guess not when I see on Northern there 12 rev/1 gal., I usually re-fill my tractor 6 gal. at a time, that would be 6 x 12 rev.= more then I'd like.

 

[Oldpath05]

the offerings at Northern Tool[/URL]? They've a 14 gallon solution for $110.

That' a good price if it was 25 gal, 14 gal. doesn't quite float my boat. Kind of strange 10 more gal tank and the price more then doubles to $310.00, I don't get that.

 

[stuckmotor]

And that' why I stop using Dylithium Crystals, those women took over the business and declared that girl power thing, equal pay, a women can be President, bla bla bla., wusses, they jacked the prices way up on the Crystals so only Star Fleet can afford them. Gotta go wife told me to get off my donkey and go to the store.

Little wonder they use lithium as a psychiatric medication. I wonder how the separate the di away from it.

 

[bcp]

I've been thinking a pickup bed trailer with dual fuel tanks still installed would be pretty handy.

Bruce

 

[Wagtail]

Little wonder they use lithium as a psychiatric medication. I wonder how they separate the di away from it.

Dunno. :confused3: All that I do know is that dilithium (Li2) is a molecule composed of two covalently bonded lithium atoms.

The closest we've come to replicating the process is via the common Turbo Encabulator... but that's stuff that you would've learnt back in HS Automotive Shop.