Fuel efficient vehicles that are reasonably safe?

   / Fuel efficient vehicles that are reasonably safe? #51  
Wow, either the .gov got it wrong as usual, or we had one heck of a Wednesday car, because our Suzuki saw hwy mileage as high as 43 - 44 mpg. City mileage was in the 30's because it was so dang fast it was hard to keep my foot out of it.

The Escort was a terrible car. I've driven them and they just plain are bad. We now have a Focus ZX3 with the Zetec engine. It's the best we could do and still have a hatchback -- 30 mpg or so for $12K new. My wife is a home health physical therapist who often carries walkers and such to her patients, so a hatchback is a necessity. All of our small cars since '81 were hatchbacks -- '81 Toyota Starlet, '83 Toyota Starlet, '86 Dodge Colt, '90 Suzuki Swift, '93 Ford Festiva, '00 Focus ZX3. Talk about hauling -- the Festiva was the smallest, but I took out the back seat and transported a kitchen table and 4 chairs, along with our normal luggage, from Florida to North Carolina.

I suppose everyone has their definition of performance, but I wouldn't put hauling into the label of performance. To me, hauling comes under the heading of utility, and utility is usually gained at the expense of performance. To me, speed is also the lesser factor in performance; handling is much more important, especially when it comes to safety. There is a simple rule that can be proved by asking anyone who has ever raced cars -- the lighter the car, the better it handles. Very few people haul something every time they use the vehicle.

<font color="blue"> "Very few people want to buy a Ford Aspire or Chevy/Geo Metro anymore." </font>
And, as I said above, that describes the problem. Of course, the Festiva was a better car than the Aspire that replaced it (even though both were made by Kia), and we chose a Swift over a Metro, even though both were made by Suzuki. Even I have my limits -- the 3 cylinder Metro was not worth the extra 8 mpg or so over the Swift.

We currently have the 5 speed Focus ZX3, a Windstar that's only used when we have to carry more than the two of us, a V6 5 speed Dakota, and a Pace Arrow motor home that gets about 6 mpg. I need a truck that can pull 12K lbs. to pull my dump trailer, and we're planning to get a 5th wheel RV instead of the motor home because we'll get better mileage from the tow vehicle. So, I'm planning on trading the Dakota and the Windstar on an F350 crew cab diesel dually. The wife will continue to drive the ZX3 until it breaks, or maybe get a MINI. I surely don't want to drive the big dually for trips when I'm not pulling a trailer, so I'll be looking for another small car. They keep talking about finally importing the Mercedes Smart, and that might be about perfect.
 

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   / Fuel efficient vehicles that are reasonably safe? #52  
<font color="blue">I will be happy to trade my Ford Excursion for a 30 mpg vehicle as soon as someone makes one that will pull my 12k lb. trailer. Since that's not likely to happen anytime soon, I expect to continue to get 12 mpg (14 highway). </font>

You've got a GCVW of ~20,000# (10 tons) - heavy truck guidelines are 6-10HP per ton minimum power. If you didn't mind crawling up grades with the semi trucks - you could tow your 12,000# with 60-100HP. I'm sure you'd do much better than 12mpg with a 100HP 4 cyl turbo diesel - but do you want to hang in the slow lane with grandma?
 
   / Fuel efficient vehicles that are reasonably safe? #53  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just would like to be able to pass the trucks pulling the Donner Summit grade in a reasonable amount of time. I am not partial to any brand, make or country of origin. I would say that if it comes down to two similar products and one is made in the US -_RaT_)</font>

An Outback is surprisingly good at that.

On the long hard upgrades from Drum Forebay up to Blue Canyon, or westbound from Truckee to the summit, the 4 cylinder with a carload of people will easily get back up over 70 after slowing to 40 for a traffic jam. This is the most severe test that is relevant to my use. (For those of you in the rest of the country - these are something like 2000 ft elevation gain in 4 miles.) If you want to be a yahoo and pass everyone at 80+ using the truck lane I've seen that as well.

They are assembled in Indiana or somewhere around there.

I have to agree with the other poster on mileage - for some reason the Outbacks encourage spirited driving and are not likely to get over 24 mpg. I get the best mileage when towing at constant speed.
 
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   / Fuel efficient vehicles that are reasonably safe? #54  
I don't see people not wanting small cars as a problem. Cars are a choice and a small car does not suit a lot of people. Even you said you have multiple vehicles so it comes down to this. If most people need something more in the lines of a minivan or SUV then they won't buy a little car regardless of fuel efficiency. Since most small cars are not really family cars they don't sell. They don't sell so car companies concentrate on improving the vehicles they do sell. What all of us can only hope for is that car companies start improving the current SUV's to higher fuel effiecent vehicles. If you can start getting 30-35mpg out of a Explorer then that will help a lot. Then that technology will snowball to the smaller cars and you will start seeing 40-50mpg cars again. I have to look but Ford did design a car (I think based off the Taurus or Contour) that got 60 mpg. This was back in the mid 90's when fuel was still somewhat cheap. I think if fuel prices keep going up like they are you will see a huge change in the SUV becoming more efficient to attract buyers again who were scared away from high fuel prices.

I do agree though, the Escort ZX2 is a crappy car but it only cost $9k so you knew Ford was going to cut every corner they could. My sister has one and so far the only problem she had was with the fan for the heater and the low profile tires constantly need air. But the overall quality of the car is very low.

What I would like to see is more European cars imported. Heck, Ford and Chevy have great cars that are only available in Austraila and Europe that would sell well here but we can't get them. I wonder if it has something to do with politics or some emissions standards.

As for performance, if you drive a car all your life then performance means speed and handling. If you drive trucks all your life then performance means speed and power while towing 5 ton behind you, performance means stopping that load in a hurry without trouble and performance means handling that weight without even knowing it is back there. As you know from looking at trucks now there is a lot involved in a Super Duty pickup. You design each truck to perform like you want. You can get by with the 5.4 but the extra power of the 6.0 is nice (even with the $5k extra to get it). So performance is available in all aspects of all vehicles. To be honest though, I never looked at fuel efficient vehicles as performance cars. They have always been the cheapest car you could get and get the most out of.

One of the reasons you see so many small cars that get great performance from all points in Europe is because of the high cost of fuel there. The car companies changed with the economy and the buyers wanted cars that performed great and got great gas mileage. In the US fuel has always been cheap so we wanted cars that just plain performed. That is what we got. Now with fuel prices going up you will see more European cars being brought over and US makers start building more fuel efficient engines for the US market. It will take some time though.
 

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