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   / Furious over citation #51  
<font color="blue"> if the driver said he didn't know the light had burned out (and I believed him/her) then I didn't issue a citation. And of course, it's been 35 years since I was doing traffic enforcement. </font>

Bird,

I've seen pictures of cars from back then. Couldn't you just relight the candle that had blown out? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #52  
Candle? I thought they had footmen with an oil lamp leading the way back then! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #53  
Gary and Brad, I feel old enough without ya'lls help. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #54  
Change your picture to one from bygone days Bird and we'll all be in awe at the sage advice that there young fellow provides.
Egon
 
   / Furious over citation #55  
Egon, do you mean like the attached one when I had more hair and less weight? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

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   / Furious over citation #57  
Bird,

I didn't mean to make you feel bad. On a related note, though, I thought I'd tell you of a plan I intend to implement you might want to consider.

I'm 48 years old and pretty much think I look 48 years old. Most people either don't seem to think so or just lie to me about it, though. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Nonetheless, I've got an idea how I can make sure it's true.

As a former law enforcement officer, I'm sure you encountered more than a few kids with fake ID's showing them to be older than they actually were so that they might buy beer, etc. I'm going to do that very same thing again but for a different reason.

I figure if I get an ID that shows me to be 65 years old people will be amazed at how youthful I am. I'll get free drinks at a lot of restaurants, senior discounts on things and be the envy of anyone at a bingo parlor. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I know you're probably thinking that this is pretty sneaky and self-serving but it's actually a public service. Just think of all the people who'll see me with all my hair and teeth so spry. They'll all feel good about getting older themselves so everybody wins! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #58  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ID that shows me to be 65 . . . senior discounts )</font>

If you don't look your age, I think that's good. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), they usually give me the senior discounts without even asking how old I am. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #59  
Richard: Got a chuckle out of your post (and some other follow ups). My advice? Pay the $2. Wanna have some fun? Learn how to play the game. Years ago, I used to play around with that stuff.
1) You can't win directly. The only way you can win is learn to play the game (I won every case I was involved with). You have to make it more trouble than it's worth to pursue you, while, at the same time, not making them mad so they want to "get" you. The first thing you do is to remember that the prosecutor is going to be in court anyway. If you don't show, he wins. So, get a change of venue as the first order of business. After all, you are well known in your community as a political agitator, right? So . . . you can't get a fair trial there. Move the trial at least to the next county. That way, the prosecutor has to get in his car (just like you) and travel. If he doesn't show up, you win!
2) Investigate the judge (I assume you will stick to judge tried cases). What political party is he affiliated with? The prosecutor? What are their predjudices, etc. If you are from a small town, transfer to a large one, or, vice versa.
3) Learn the rules. If the prosecutor gets a continuance, then, when he shows up (if he does) YOU are entitled to one as well (the judge wants to appear fair after all). After all, you havn't had time to supeona witnesses (or whatever), right? After all (as you fumble around) you're just a layperson who's doing the best they can (right).
4) If you really want to have some fun, go after the city attorney, police chief and the cop for violation under the RICO (racketerring influenced corrupt practices) act.
5) Be careful not to make them mad. I remember one time I was "arrested" for not having a city sticker on my car (the cops set up road blocks and stopped everyone leaving town to give tickets). Naturally, I don't use an address on my drivers license-rather a PO box in another town. I took the Fifth when the cop asked where I lived (after, of course, politely asking him why he wanted to know!). According to their own ordinance, the cop couldn't arrest until giving 3 days to get the sticker. When I pointed that out in court they had to have a recess and bring the book in. Because I embarrassed the prosecuting attorney (the other victims sitting in the court room enjoyed the whole thing, which made the prosecutor even madder) they were really mad and a few days later arrested me at gun-point (literally) for not having a sticker to live in my apartment. A few days after that, my place was broken into. Had to go to the mayor and get him to agree to leave me alone until I could leave town. Just relaying this so you realize you have to be careful not to embarrass them too badly.
6) Never forget, these people play with guns and you have no legal right to defend yourself. However, they have to pretend they are honest, fair dealing and play by the rules (which is why you HAVE to learn the rules to have a chance). The first thing you have to do is read the ordinance you are charged with violating.
7) One of my fondest memories back in my pro se ("for yourself") days was walking out of a court room behind a prosecuting attorney and the assessor (it was a tax case) in a county next to the one in which I lived and overhearing the attorney say to the assessor "I don't know what happened" over the judge's ruling on a motion of mine. They had showed up expecting a slam dunk.
8) Remember, most cases are won through maneuver, not through direct confrontation in court. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts are against you, argue the law.
9) My advice? Pay the $2.
JEH
 
   / Furious over citation #60  
Okay, I'll admit to beating the system, but I wasn't trying to be clever like the reaper.

I was driving my Jeep where I wasn't supposed to, and got caught by a police officer. He took down all of my information and told me that I would be getting a court summons. About a week later, a squad car paid me a visit at home and delivered a summons to state criminal court. Sounded odd, but I had a plan: Plead guilty and pay the fine and not do that again.

I showed up to court early, this was my first time in a court room, and had a seat until my name was called. The clerk handed the judge my file and I was called before the judge. I approached this stand where a bailiff motioned me. The bailiff was standing at my side. Apparently there was some confusion, since the judge called the clerk back and they had a short discussion. After a few moments the judge asked my name and address, and stated that I was being charged with violating state park rule #7. He asked me if aware of the charge. Well, that's what it said on my summons, so I told the judge "yes." The bailiff whispered into my ear, "your honor", and I quickly blurted out "your honor." The judge paused for a moment to think about something, then he asked me how did I plead? I said, "I plead guilty." The bailiff again whispered into my ear, and I again blurted out "your honor." My answer seemed to cause some concern for the judge, but my nervousness was cause for amusement in the gallery. He thought a little bit, and asked me if I knew what park rule #7 was? I told him, "I think so." Again the bailiff, and again I blurted "your honor." A few people in the audience started to chuckle aloud. The judge told me that I couldn't plead guilty if I wasn't positive to what park rule #7 stated. He said that I needed to get some legal counsel and that he would set a date for a jury trial. Of course, I was about to panic. I told the judge that I would prefer to plead guilty. Bailiff again, "your honor" again, laughter again. The judge appeared to become uncomfortable with the situation. He expalined to me again that I couldn't plead guilty to crime without being fully aware of what the crime and what its ensuing penalty entailed. Again, I told him I just wanted to "plead guilty", bailiff, your honor, laughter. The judge now was becoming upset, asked me to recite park rule #7. I said it had something to do with operating vehicle on proper roadways. Bailiff, your honor, laughter. The judge seemingly rising out of his chair asked me what should the penalty for such a crime be? I told him I thought a couple of hundred dollars would be appropiate. Bailiff, your honor, laughter. He sat back down took a deep breadth and regained his composure. He stated obviously that I couldn't plead guilty to a crime the didn't really understand and that I would need counsel and a proper jury trial. My heart dropped again, and I asked the judge, "can't I just plead guilty and pay the fine?" Now before the bailiff could get a your honor into my ear the judge slammed down his gavel and said case dismissed. The bailiff then whispered "thank you your honor" I quickly blurted out a "thank you your honor." The last burst of laughter. The bailiff then told me to get out of there, and I walked out of the court room a confused 19yr old, not really sure what just happened, but I quickly realized the thousand dollars in my pocket, my entire savings, would be going home with me, and not into the Treasury of the State of Massachusetts. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It took me a while to figure out what happened. If I look back and think what would of happened if I listened to the judge, or thought I was clever enough to fight the charge, I bet I would have been out a whole lot more money than I carried into the court room that day.

BTW, that was the last time I was in a court room. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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