Garden Tractor Loader

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Hi,
I'm planning to by the 25HP JD Sabre Garden Tractor, and was wondering if anyone makes a small loader for tractors of this size? I've been to the CADPlans website, they have a kit for a small loader, but the bucket is only supported from one side. I'm looking for a conventional loader design, but small enough to work on the Sabre.
Thanks,
DougR
 
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Will the front axle and front wheels support a front end loader for this tractor? Does it have 4WD. Will the rear weight keep the tractor on the ground with a few hundred pounds in the loader. That is usually the reason that a loader is not offered on small tractors.
 
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FWIW Some time ago I was looking into the purchase of a garden tractor. One of my stops was the local Troy-bilt dealer. I was looking at the largest unit available and when I inquired about the Troy-bilt loader the dealer told me that if I had any intention of installing a loader that he would NOT even sell me the tractor. It would be way too unsafe.
 
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I think that is what has made the BX tractors so popular. They are 4WD with hydrastatic and do accomidate a manufacturer's supplied loader with significant capability. I have never seen a tractor manufacturer show a photo of a 2WD tractor with a loader.
 
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The Ingersoll 6018 has an integral loader. It is a gasoline engine, 2wd, cat 0, "garden" tractor. But the loader is designed into the machine and has lift capacities far greater than a BX and other, larger compacts--about 750 lbs at max height and 1350 lbs breakout. It is built like a tank out of cast iron and steel, weighing about 1500 lbs in a garden tractor size. Like all Ingersoll's, it is completely hydraulically driven, everwhere--engine, transmission, steering, and pto's. No belts, pulleys, drive shafts or chains (except for the serpentine blade belt on the mower.) Hydraulically-powered pto attachments include belly mowers (up to 60"), 48" rear hitch mower, 48" brush cutter, wood chipper, and snow blower. The 6018 lists for about $11,500 and can be found at dealers on sale for $8,500. There is a $5000 third party back hoe available for it. Other Ingersoll models do not have the integral loader, but take a third-party frame-attach loader that has ratings not too much lower than the BX. The prices on these other models are in the $4500 to $7500 list range. I know so much offhand because I have been looking at Ingersolls for 10 years and they remained on my bitter end short list until I finally purchased a tractor this month--a BX2200. The downside of the Ingersolls is that they lack some modern functional amenties, such as 4wd, diff lock, open operator deck, foot pedal controls, cupholders and a cat 1 hitch. (They look like tractors from Calvin Coolidge's era--a good thing.) Moreover, their dealer network is sparse to nonexistent in some areas of the country, and the tractors and their proprietary hydraulic implements may be difficult to resell or trade. Although I didn't but one in the end, I continue to believe that Ingersolls are underknown and underappreciated diamonds in the rough. In many ways they are functionally superior to any garden tractor available. And the 6018 has a lollapalooza of a loader (but be careful of the lack of 4wd for loader functionality).
 
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Glennmac, don't discount the possibilities of the BX2200 loader. AFter seeings Mark's posts on his 4310 mods I put 4" cylinders on my BX loader. Unfortunately there are other mods required. You have to put the back tires on the front because of the increased load and you have to learn to drive differently because as soon as you start to lift the rear of the tractor lifts off about 4 feet. You have to use 4WD all of the time since only the front wheels are ever on the ground. It's kind of like learning to ride a unicycle. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

And back to the real world. I think I've seen the Ingersoll somewhere, as I remember it was very interesting and seemed to be built like a true industrial machine aka Bobcat. In fact I think I saw one being used as a trail maintenance machine somewhere.
 
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Just last year I took the second 318 JD in trade with little or no hours (60) in trade that was sold with a loader and mower. The unit had rear wheel weights and extra weights hung off the rear. When the loader was on and bucket empty it would not back up a slope less than that of a wheel chair ramp. The people who bought both of those units complained why the dealer didn't tell them the units would be helpless to use. Kwik-way does make loaders for most all garden tractors but depending on location and use I would never recommend a person to buy one. A John Deere Sabre may get you by mowing but don't push it A loader tractor it isn't. Not being totally familiar with that model does it have front wheel bearings of the ball type or are they a bushing? Does it have the stamped steel front axle or does it have a cast iron or steel box beam? If either of those are lacking move on to a better base. Isn't that tractor also a belt drive?
 
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There are some GT's which offer factory or other loaders. For example, look at the JD 400 and WheelHorse brochures. But, from what has been posted on the net, people find these devices both expensive and relatively useless. Like Glennmac, I also placed Ingersol on the shot list, but found it quirky after a test drive (don't know how else to explain it). Ended up with the BX also. If you really want a loader, then purchase a tractor which can actual put the FEL to work.
 
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Doug,
Not to talk you out of what you want...just becareful,for you end up doing damage to your tractor.
I'm not sure how strong the frame is on those models,but everytime I seen a tractor such as your talking about they use the front loader for light duties,..gradening..little snow removeal..fall clean up etc..

have you consider paying a tad more for a heavier model? /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

I'm sure your dealer can install a front loader...but will he stand behind it. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Take care and stay /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

Thomas..NH
 
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Thomas - Stand behind it? True test is, will the dealer stand under it, while it is fully loaded and fully raised! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
 

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