Gas Ranges

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#21  
JD, a lot of the higher brand ranges have a wok ring that will fit around one of the large, higher BTU burners.

After doing a good bit of research last night I'm starting to back track a little. Yes, a 6 burner 48" range with two electric ovens and a griddle would be a wonderful thing, but with any of the major brands that is going to set you back $10,000 or more if you include the hood and backsplash.
 
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#22  
We've had a Kenmore glass top range for many years now and I have to say, it has been a good, basic stove. It has not scratched and it is extremely easy to clean. Still looks like new. That aspect alone has been worth it. The oven works fine. We have had no quality problems with it, no repairs.

Its limitations mostly have to do with two things. 1) Size. For the type of cooking I'm doing there just is not enough space. The largest burner is only 10 inches which makes using large stock pots impossible. If you have a pot of pasta water going on one burner and a large saute pan going on another, there is hardly room to use the remaining two burners, one of which is quite small. 2) Electric burners. Fine for most processes but slow to boil water, hard to control precisely, hard to fine tune a simmer, somewhat uneven heating (although that could be due to low quality pots too).
 
/ Gas Ranges #24  
George, I agree with you. Of course, I assume your Kenmore was made by Whirlpool, just as our KitchenAid was. And if we were still doing a lot of canning, cooking for big parties, and didn't outdoors have the smoker, the grill, the turkey fryer, and a big LPG burner, then our kitchen stove wouldn't be optimal, but for 2 old folks, it's great.;)
 
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Well Bird, that's another issue. Right now cooking for me is just another new hobby. Could be a fad. And in about 2 years my daughter will be off at school like my son and it will just be my wife and I. Could be hard to justify a range that cost as much as a small car and nearly as big to cook grits ans eggs on.

Kenstrac, those GE's look nice and one would hope GE would be around for a while. Having a hard time finding a price though. These things seem to be a lot like tractors, no one wants to tell you how much they're going to cost unless you're standing there with your wallet in your hand. I'll search a little. There is an appliance store near me that sells them so I can check with them. They won't have one in stock, but they can give me a quote.
 
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#26  
Well, it looks like the GE 48 inchers are around $10k also. Another $2k for the hood. I just can't see it. I could buy another nice, used tractor for that!:D
 
/ Gas Ranges #27  
How are your welding skills? Buy 6 of these, drill them out to natural gas specs, buy a little tubing and a few valves and you can probably have a custom cooktop for <$200. Add to that a nice table fan and save some more on a hood and you're good to go! :D I have no idea why some of this stuff is so expensive, there's a reason I've been postponing my own upgrade.
 
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#28  
How are your welding skills?

Got no welding skills. Oh well. Might have to make do with a 36" model. You can get them with 6 burners and no griddle or 4 burners plus griddle. I'd rather have six burners. Problem is, I don't see any 36" models with double ovens and its my wife that wants the double ovens. Something or someone is going to have to give!

We're a good ways from having to make a decision though, so I've got plenty of time to research all this.
 
/ Gas Ranges #29  
You can get them with 6 burners and no griddle or 4 burners plus griddle.

I used to think I wanted a stove with a griddle, but never got one. The one drawback I see to a griddle is they're a pain to clean, or at least the one I used to use occasionally on the job was.
 
/ Gas Ranges #30  
Good point Bird. When I take a notion to use a griddle I get our electric one out, spread a newspaper out underneath it on the counter and go to town. When I'm done cooking I just wipe off the nonstick griddle, run the grease try through the dishwasher, and fold up and toss the newspaper.

Pretty easy, but not nearly as cool as a stovetop griddle.
 
/ Gas Ranges #31  
Shawn, you're ahead of me. We don't even have a griddle. I've thought about buying one of the electric ones, but we also have a small kitchen and more different appliances, cooking, and food processing equipment than we have room for.
 
/ Gas Ranges #32  
It's one of 3 we got for our wedding 5 years ago. The other 2 were returned, along with 3 extra electric skillets, 2 crock pots, and a load of other stuff I'm sure I'm forgetting.

You can't beat the griddle for pancakes and hash browns.

I do the same newspaper trick with the electric skillet when I'm frying bacon.
 
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#33  
I feel the same way but my wife, who is a really good cook, says the built in griddles are really nice. But cleanup seems like it could be a mess. I've got no problems with using a big cast iron skillet or burner top griddle.

A lot of things look good on paper and in the ads, but aren't all that great in practice. That's exactly what I'm trying to sort out now.

If my wife didn't think having two ovens was so important I'd definitely scale back to a 36" unit.

A little research on eBay shows that there are dealers who sell for a good bit less (new, in box, full warranty, authorized dealers) than some of the prices I'd seen earlier. Some of the big name brands also have specials where if you buy the range you get a free dishwasher. Buy a fridge and get a free vent hood, etc. For a complete remodel, which is what we'd be doing, that could actually end up being a practical cost saving approach.
 
/ Gas Ranges #34  
When we built the house we put in Maytag kitchen appliances, electric range, fridge, microwave and dishwasher. We went with Maytag because at the time their appliances had features that nobody else could offer in some of the appliances. The dishwasher had three racks. The bottom rack was good for cookie sheets. The range has TWO ovens. They took the space for the bottom drawer, moved it up above the regular sized oven, and made the drawer a little oven. We use this little oven all of the time. The regular sized oven it use a few times a year for big holiday dinners. I will second the usefulness of a convection oven.

Now our range is a smooth top glass with four burners plus a warming area. I cook in the family so I'm the one using the appliances except for the dishwasher. I cook, she cleans. :D The stove top does get crowded but I make do. I LOVE the glass top. Easy clean up. And I can just move pots around as needed to make room without worrying about spilling something due to the burners.

If you need two ovens I think other brands beside Maytag offer them in ranges. And with gas burners. Still will be 30 inches though. I suppose you could put in a regular range and put in a two burner stove top next to it. Not sure how that would look though.

Maytag quality dropped in the first part of this century for sure. We bought a dishwasher for our old city house. It failed after one use. The board was replaced under warranty. But it was perfect after that event. The dishwasher in the new house also failed right after we moved into the house. Within a few uses and it too was fixed under warranty. The little wheels that run in the baskets would broke and we could not get new parts. NONE. I hobnobbed it togather for a year or two with a fix that would eventually fail until I found some brass fittings that solved the problem. Now the dishwasher latch is not working correctly. The machine still runs but it needs to be fixed.

The fridge compressor started to fail. Thankfully we caught it in time before it completely failed and it was under warranty. If it had been out of warranty the cost of the compressor would have been about half the value of the fridge. Searching the Internet turned up lots of problems with this fridge.

Not problems, Knock on Wood, with the range or microwave.

Now that Maytag is owed by Whirlpool? hopefully their quality will return. We have great service from the local small dealer. He said if the fridge had failed completely he would bring out a loaner fridge for us to use. We won't get that from Lowes. :D If we have to replace the fridge or dishwasher I might try Maytag again due to the owner ship change simply because of the dealer. But if the quality is still bad its to Lowes I go.

Later,
Dan
 
/ Gas Ranges #35  
You can't beat the griddle for pancakes and hash browns.

I agree, but I'm still just making do with a skillet.

I do the same newspaper trick with the electric skillet when I'm frying bacon.

We don't have an electric skillet anymore, either. One reason I used to want a griddle was to be able to put a weight, like restaurants use, (and Bed, Bath and Beyond sells) on the bacon to keep it flat. My wife prefers the microwave for bacon, but I still like the skillet (or a griddle if I had one). But when I buy a package of bacon, the first thing I do is cut it in half so I have shorter pieces of bacon to fry, and I turn them real frequently in the skillet, so that keeps them straight and flat.

A lot of things look good on paper and in the ads, but aren't all that great in practice.

Truer words were never spoken.:D

If my wife didn't think having two ovens was so important

I can certainly understand how having two ovens would be handy, but in our case, the second one would be used no more than once or twice a year (Christmas and Thanksgiving), so no way would it be worth what it would cost. In fact, we don't use the one oven all that much because we also have a KitchenAid countertop toaster/broiler/oven and it gets use a great deal. We bake cornbread and biscuits in that, we make toast in it, and we even occasionally broil a steak or pork chops in it.
 
/ Gas Ranges #36  
N80,

This is timely.

Our 16 year old maytag propane range is on the fritz. The top four burners work but the electronic ignitor for the oven doesn't always work - sometimes it does... sometimes it doesn't. And of course it doesn't work when you need it the most ie xmas dinner, large dinner parties. We have put a lot of cash into repairing this unit and I refuse to put in any more. So I am on the hunt for a new range and am ideally looking at the same as you but unfortunately can not afford what I really want.

Sear Canada seems to be the best place to get ranges for the price. They carry Frigidaire,
KitchenAid, GE etc. I also called a local dealer, they carry all of the name brands. I asked if he was to buy one which would he recommend from a repair point of view. He liked Frigidaire and KitchenAid.

The prices for propane at sears go up to $2400 on the web but I did notice at the outlet they had 6 burner ranges up to $4000.

Here's a thought... would you consider two ranges side by side. This would give you two ovens and 8 burners. I know this may sound crazy but if you could get the units at a decent price it may work for you. I recently bought a new camera and my friend was interested in one too so I did my best deal making - cash - and we saved around 40%.
And I have often said, after putting in our first dishwasher, if we had the space I would install two. They are almost as cheap as good quality cabinets and you can actually store your day to day dishes in them.

Propane is very economical to use. We do a lot of baking and cooking on weekends and evening meals. Usually no use during the week for breakfast or lunches. We go through almost a tank (200lb) a year. It works out to be about $0.37 a day. And if the power goes out you can light the top burners with a match.

We always used propane so I can not advise between propane top and electric oven or convection etc. My wife bakes some of the best deserts around and the propane oven works great.

You should 'season' your griddle before use. We do this with all of our cast iron pans and griddles for camping. Basically you heat them up in the oven and coat them with cooking oil. Do this two or three times a year and do not wash with soap. You'll find with 'seasoning' that most food products do not stick - also wipe with oil before using daily. I find I just need to use a damp cloth to clean our pans after use.

Best of luck with your search keep us posted.

PS: up here, believe it or not, you need a permit for installation around $175 so you may want to check your local codes.

Lloyd
 
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#37  
We've thought about two standard size ranges, and yes, it can get you more cooking space and two ovens, often for less than one of these big fancy units. But, two thirty inch ranges adds up to 60+ inches. As for looks, I'm not sure, probably kind of odd. We're still keeping the idea on the table.
 
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We have had an antique 1850 model Elmira Gas Range for the last twenty years and it has been excellent to use. It uses GE burners. The are made in Ontario and worth their weight in gold....

Check out their website:

Elmira Stove Works
 

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