Gasoline taxes

[Diamondpilot]

more climate related? Are you driving mostly primary roads?

when fuel taxes far exceed their need for infrastructure maintenance and improvement,
it's just another government straight tax, hardest on the low income.
when you think of all the different ways we are taxed...
no don't, too taxing...

possible stupid question...are fuel taxes the same for gasoline as road diesel?
thanks.

All roads. I am a pilot and spend a night or two in just about every state. Drive all roads from airport entry roads to whatever destination I want to visit.

In my opinion it has to do with economy. States with right to work in place seem to have stronger economy and better roads, schools, airports, public services, ect.

Chris

 

[terryknight]

i'll add this. it breaks down where each states gas and diesel taxes come from.

http://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-...Files/Statistics/StateMotorFuel_OnePagers.pdf

 

[smstonypoint]

In my opinion it has to do with economy. States with right to work in place seem to have stronger economy and better roads, schools, airports, public services, ect.

Chris

Here's a report card on the states' highway systems: Reason Foundation - 20th Annual Highway Report on the Performance of State Highway Systems.

Steve

 

[rsallen]

I only know the taxes on diesel are high enough that I save receipts for my off road use to reclaim those taxes at the end of the year.

 

[daugen]

Care to clarify that statement, because as it stands it could not be any more factually incorrect.
nicely said...
Ok, based on the whopping increase in fuel prices over the years, I agree. I wasn't doing the relative math very well, but when one looks at the percentage of tax on a $3.50 cent gallon of regular in some states, the percentage of tax is pretty high in those top tier states.

and this was interesting:
Almost two-thirds of the poor-condition rural interstate mileage is in just five states: California, Alaska, Minnesota, New York and Colorado.

Over half (52.7 percent) of the poor-condition urban interstate mileage is in just five states: California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas.

what is surprising to me is the bad showing for California. New York takes it on the chin also.

 

[300UGUY]

Care to clarify that statement, because as it stands it could not be any more factually incorrect.
nicely said...
Ok, based on the whopping increase in fuel prices over the years, I agree. I wasn't doing the relative math very well, but when one looks at the percentage of tax on a $3.50 cent gallon of regular in some states, the percentage of tax is pretty high in those top tier states.

and this was interesting:
Almost two-thirds of the poor-condition rural interstate mileage is in just five states: California, Alaska, Minnesota, New York and Colorado.

Over half (52.7 percent) of the poor-condition urban interstate mileage is in just five states: California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas.

what is surprising to me is the bad showing for California. New York takes it on the chin also.

I can understand California and Texas, if you assume that infrastructure was underinvested in all over the country. And Ny, NJ, ILL, all have pretty severe winters. I think just on the freeze thaw cycle, the northern states are always going to need more revenue to maintain the same level of service. We have had sections of road heave up here, in very cold weather or hot weather. A lot of parking lots here are pretty bad, they haven't been maintaining them very well.

 

[dave1949]

Here's a report card on the states' highway systems: Reason Foundation - 20th Annual Highway Report on the Performance of State Highway Systems.

Steve

That's interesting. One factor that it doesn't seem to consider is that states are not geographically equal in terms of how challenging/costly the terrain is to build and maintain highways.

For example, comparing West Virginia to Wyoming, which would be the more difficult and costly for roads? Yes the Rockies are in Wyoming, but there are also many elevated mesas or valleys in Wyoming or Colorado that run for miles and miles, and are flat as pancakes with very few features to deal with. Are there any flat places in West Virginia? :laughing:

Places with high traffic density will typically spend more to get the same work done than in lightly traveled areas too. The roads in high density areas cannot realistically be closed for work. Some factor for a state's average density would need to be applied to level the comparisons.

 

[Oaktree]

The other popular plan being floated is to move to a miles based tax as people with e-cars and high efficiency cars seem not to "pay there share". NOTE, this plan is popular with states, yet very unpopular with the people as it generally is implemented via GPS tracking.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't have to be. I would imagine that most, if not all states have annual emissions inspections these days. No reason mileage couldn't be recorded when you're in for that, and be billed by the state for the mileage you've driven since the last inspection.

Didn't realize something along this line was being considered. Makes sense, this way people who drive eco-boxes aren't getting an almost free ride at the expense of those who drive low-MPG vehicles (not to mention the amount of road taxes paid on gas that's never used on public roads; lawnmowers, snowmobiles/ATVs, etc.).

 

[farmgirl19]

In Texas, it was law that once the cost of a roadway was paid off, it could no longer be a toll road. Somewhere along the way, without telling the public, they changed that law, and now want Mexico to run the tolls, and get the money. Wish I knew which politicians to thank for that, as I'd like to punch them in the nose, (verbally! Before the black vehicles show up here.)

The other thing is, larger, higher grow weight vehicles pay more in licensing fees each year, than smaller, lighter cars. So, they are NOT getting and "almost free ride". The more a truck can legally carry or tow, the higher the fee.

And diesel should still be cheaper than gas. What would they do with it, if we didn't burn it? after all, it is basically the dregs that is leftover, after they have refined out the other usable stuff. For some reason, that isn't the case, anymore.

 

[daugen]

And diesel should still be cheaper than gas. What would they do with it, if we didn't burn it?


boy you bet, all of a sudden it flip flopped with gas, and what was cheaper than regular is now more expensive than premium.
No justification. Not temporary either, it's a new ballgame folks.

heating oil was running over 4.50 a gallon here earlier this winter. And we still have a lot of older homes here running fuel oil systems.
Some old homes have an oil burner at each end. Slurp.
and the only break around here was when Citgo was doing their Venezuelan heating oil giveaway/super discounts in New England.
haven't heard about that in a while.

I have sat on my Meeting's finance committee for almost twenty years and scratching our head over fuel oil costs
is an annual affair. We usually did the budget, then got abused, then dropped the budget, got hammered by some embargo, and decided we could never
play the market again and went back to the budget never to change again.

I'm glad to see America is getting more energy independent. We must use energy or we don't eat, get cold, go nowhere without a horse, etc. so energy, other than water, is fully interwoven into our lives and an ideal tax target. Seems to be just another sale/use type tax. and instead of allowing people to cheat on the income tax, the tax gets collected whether they like it or not. So I'm sure the collection rate is far superior than voluntary types. And the income is daily, constant and easily increased. There are taxes on municipal water or sure enough fees..., but so far, that I know of, nothing for the air we breathe.

I would love to live where I could have a windmill or two and create my own AC that way.
But as long as farm equipment runs on gasoline or diesel, I don't think I'm going to get far
from that favorite whiff of diesel in the morning...

So farmers (how real do they have to be?) can buy their diesel (off road diesel) for the onroad price less
all these taxes? I'm sure many of you do this already, but we have few places locally set up for that.