gator HPX4x4 vs Kawa 3010

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

well when your deisel gets stuck call me i'll pull you out. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. i have nuthin against the deisel . the only thing i don't care for is the open clutch belt .it seems like if your gonna pay all that money the thing should atleast come equiped to go places.as for gas break down are you meaning the engine breakin down or do you mean the gas goin bad from not useing it?if so why spend the money on something that won't get used? a deisel engein is better but they just don't have the right stuff on it . does the mule come with a deisel and a belt enclosure if so go with the mule if a deisel is what you really want. but as for the power of the gas hpx it's there i never needed more power from it. it hauled plenty of fire wood out the woods not to mention my 16' double axle trailer with a full load. so it boils down to if your gonna leave it sittin in the shed an not use it and not go into any mud then go with the deisel but if your gonna use it daily and in the mud or water too then go with the gas. they are both great machines just one has one more feature than the other. as for rangers they are nice but if i was to hook my trailer to it loaded the rear suspention would squat so bad it would bottom out. i like the solid rear axle on the gator because nomatter how much of a load you got on the hitch you still have your shock travel because the hitch is connected to the bottom half. i seen a couple of utv's that tried pullin a heavy load and it bottomed out thier rear end doing it that can't be good.

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

well when your deisel gets stuck call me i'll pull you out. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. i have nuthin against the deisel . the only thing i don't care for is the open clutch belt .it seems like if your gonna pay all that money the thing should atleast come equiped to go places.as for gas break down are you meaning the engine breakin down or do you mean the gas goin bad from not useing it?if so why spend the money on something that won't get used? a deisel engein is better but they just don't have the right stuff on it . does the mule come with a deisel and a belt enclosure if so go with the mule if a deisel is what you really want. but as for the power of the gas hpx it's there i never needed more power from it. it hauled plenty of fire wood out the woods not to mention my 16' double axle trailer with a full load. so it boils down to if your gonna leave it sittin in the shed an not use it and not go into any mud then go with the deisel but if your gonna use it daily and in the mud or water too then go with the gas. they are both great machines just one has one more feature than the other. as for rangers they are nice but if i was to hook my trailer to it loaded the rear suspention would squat so bad it would bottom out. i like the solid rear axle on the gator because nomatter how much of a load you got on the hitch you still have your shock travel because the hitch is connected to the bottom half. i seen a couple of utv's that tried pullin a heavy load and it bottomed out thier rear end doing it that can't be good.

jcmseven · May 30, 2006

Tommy,

If I am not mistaken, you can have the dealer add this for you. I am not sure, but I think my diesel has one, of course it has a number of little dealer installed extras. As for the diesel, I have taken mine in some pretty rough places and had the axle dragging because the snow I was going through was so deep, and never a wimper. Having used both, each has its advantages: the gasoline one is less expensive and lighter by a bit. It will also likely last 1000+ hours if well maintained. The diesel would double that, but not many of us (including me) really need that much durability. The diesel uses less than half the fuel of the gas model I had, and is MUCH stronger pulling and hauling loads. Where I live the extra beans come in handy, as we have many 15%-30% grades and lots of steep hills. This is where the diesel shines. Lewis lives about 60 miles from me; it is not as steep there, but pretty steep, so he may also favor the diesel for those reasons.

John M

jcmseven · May 30, 2006

Tommy,

If I am not mistaken, you can have the dealer add this for you. I am not sure, but I think my diesel has one, of course it has a number of little dealer installed extras. As for the diesel, I have taken mine in some pretty rough places and had the axle dragging because the snow I was going through was so deep, and never a wimper. Having used both, each has its advantages: the gasoline one is less expensive and lighter by a bit. It will also likely last 1000+ hours if well maintained. The diesel would double that, but not many of us (including me) really need that much durability. The diesel uses less than half the fuel of the gas model I had, and is MUCH stronger pulling and hauling loads. Where I live the extra beans come in handy, as we have many 15%-30% grades and lots of steep hills. This is where the diesel shines. Lewis lives about 60 miles from me; it is not as steep there, but pretty steep, so he may also favor the diesel for those reasons.

John M

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

if your deisel has a clutch enclosure your the one and only.deisel doen't come with nor do they make a clutch enclosure for it. all you can get is what is on it now and that's a splash guard. check with your dealer he will tell you. but if you ain't goin in the mud or nuthin wet then go with the deisel it does have a little more power. but for me i rather the gas with the clutch enclosure(i live in south louisiana) way down at the bottom and even not goin in to deep water the belt sometimes slips just from water splashing on it .that's why i got the enclosure it stopped all that not i can put it in water up to and sometimes even over the floor boards. as for the gas breakin downit don't stay in the tank that long. i use my hpx on a daily basis. and for draggin the rear axle that ain't too deep thats only about 6 1/2 inches and it drags. i put the 27'' itp 589's and it raised the rear end up atleast 2 1/2 inches. and i put the lift kit i hade in the front and raised it 2 1/4 inches. but i needed the hight for goin through the mud and water. if i was just usein it for work and no mudd ridin the the diesel would be nice but i can't see payin the extra money for it when the gas model does evrnything i need. if you need more ump out of your gas model the just back down the screw on the gas peddle /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

if your deisel has a clutch enclosure your the one and only.deisel doen't come with nor do they make a clutch enclosure for it. all you can get is what is on it now and that's a splash guard. check with your dealer he will tell you. but if you ain't goin in the mud or nuthin wet then go with the deisel it does have a little more power. but for me i rather the gas with the clutch enclosure(i live in south louisiana) way down at the bottom and even not goin in to deep water the belt sometimes slips just from water splashing on it .that's why i got the enclosure it stopped all that not i can put it in water up to and sometimes even over the floor boards. as for the gas breakin downit don't stay in the tank that long. i use my hpx on a daily basis. and for draggin the rear axle that ain't too deep thats only about 6 1/2 inches and it drags. i put the 27'' itp 589's and it raised the rear end up atleast 2 1/2 inches. and i put the lift kit i hade in the front and raised it 2 1/4 inches. but i needed the hight for goin through the mud and water. if i was just usein it for work and no mudd ridin the the diesel would be nice but i can't see payin the extra money for it when the gas model does evrnything i need. if you need more ump out of your gas model the just back down the screw on the gas peddle /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

jcmseven · May 30, 2006

Tommy,

You might be correct about the clutch enclosure, as I can visibly see my drive belt when I went out and checked it after my last post. I would say, though, that I have not experienced any slippage when running through the creek at the back part of my property. I doubt though that it is as deep as some of your areas. As far as the snow goes, it was 16" of snow. I also have the larger ITP tires, and even with the extra clearance, it still dragged. Interestingly, the Gator just kept moving along. As far as the gasoline-diesel debate, I think either is fine. I would say, though, that having had both the diesel is a better performer, even during my recreation time. On flat ground I think the acceleration would be about the same, but on hills the diesel would leave the gasoline one behind, and my dealer modified the gas model somewhat. Of course, neither of these vehicles will win a land speed record, as 25-30 is about it for mine (downhill it will go a little faster). Personally, as per my previous and initial post, I think the gas model would be plenty adequate for Lewis' needs, but I have been impressed with the diesel model.

John M

jcmseven · May 30, 2006

Tommy,

You might be correct about the clutch enclosure, as I can visibly see my drive belt when I went out and checked it after my last post. I would say, though, that I have not experienced any slippage when running through the creek at the back part of my property. I doubt though that it is as deep as some of your areas. As far as the snow goes, it was 16" of snow. I also have the larger ITP tires, and even with the extra clearance, it still dragged. Interestingly, the Gator just kept moving along. As far as the gasoline-diesel debate, I think either is fine. I would say, though, that having had both the diesel is a better performer, even during my recreation time. On flat ground I think the acceleration would be about the same, but on hills the diesel would leave the gasoline one behind, and my dealer modified the gas model somewhat. Of course, neither of these vehicles will win a land speed record, as 25-30 is about it for mine (downhill it will go a little faster). Personally, as per my previous and initial post, I think the gas model would be plenty adequate for Lewis' needs, but I have been impressed with the diesel model.

John M

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

i agree with you about the deisel being more powerfull. it really doesn't matter witch one he gets just as long as he gets a hpx /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif i have always been a big fan of the deisel engine over the gas engine. but the thing that got me was the no belt enclosure for the deisel i don't know why they don't make one . maybe in the future they will come out with an up grade but for now they don't have one but i wouldn't get that mule 3010 i just don't think it will hold up like the hpx will. the hpx is alot stronger made than the mule. i haven't seen where the radiator fan is located but when you go into water with it it throws water all over the engine from what i hear and it kills it.on the hpx the radiator is up front like a truck or car the hpx is just better all around. you should lift the front up with the homemade kit. it streers alot easier now . before it kinda had the nose dive affect .

TOMMYHPX4X4 · May 30, 2006

i agree with you about the deisel being more powerfull. it really doesn't matter witch one he gets just as long as he gets a hpx /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif i have always been a big fan of the deisel engine over the gas engine. but the thing that got me was the no belt enclosure for the deisel i don't know why they don't make one . maybe in the future they will come out with an up grade but for now they don't have one but i wouldn't get that mule 3010 i just don't think it will hold up like the hpx will. the hpx is alot stronger made than the mule. i haven't seen where the radiator fan is located but when you go into water with it it throws water all over the engine from what i hear and it kills it.on the hpx the radiator is up front like a truck or car the hpx is just better all around. you should lift the front up with the homemade kit. it streers alot easier now . before it kinda had the nose dive affect .