Gear drive vs hydro

[JC-jetro]

By about now the original (deer755) is so sorry why he opened up this can of worms again.

Bottom line , "exercise your freedom of choice backed by money in the bank"

JC,

 

[Egon]

[and Egon, what has reality to do with much of this discussion? Limiting the exchange to only those with reasonable experience on both geared and HST tractors would eliminate so much colorful opinion-expression based on (well based on ... hmm well it would eliminate a lot of baseless opinions) and reduce the entertainment index of the thread.
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It would definitely detract from the entertainment I do agree!

 

[N80]

So what is the typical HP difference, something like a couple percent at most???

No! At the time I was purchasing my L4400, the next closest HST tractor I could afford was over 10hp less. Thats 45 vs less than 35. I don't care who you are, that is significant, and way more than your 'couple percent'. It could be narrower now, I don't know. I understand the difference between an L4400 HSt vs geared is about 2 grand. That's pretty significant too and that 2 grand will take you up into a higher class of tractor.

I'd gladly trade off a couple percent for the distinct advantages of HST.

So would a lot of people if that couple percent and unicorns were real.

...and Egon, what has reality to do with much of this discussion?

Apparently not much when you're allowing for making up a few numbers here, 'couple percent' there.

Limiting the exchange to only those with reasonable experience on both geared and HST tractors would eliminate so much colorful opinion-expression based on

I need never have seen one, much less used one to know, factually, that with the same dollar I can put more HP on the ground with a geared tractor than an HST bought with the same dollar. Once again, don't need the experience of third degree burns to know that a hot stove will burn you. Some of us are gifted with that type of common sense...others seem to be less fortunate.

and reduce the entertainment index of the thread.

Pat

That would be a senseless tragedy since it is quite clear that NONE OF US has anything better to do and this has been quite a hoot!

 

[burkehill]

I like both types of transmissions. I can do anything I need to with either of them. The prime advantage of the HST for me is that there is alot less learning time with new employees, and there is alot less potential for damage due to misuse than with gears. Anyone can push a HST pedal back and forth, but someone unused to a clutch will burn it out faster than necessary. The HST will be unharmed. Also, the insurance costs for employees running HST are much lower (here anyway), probably due to the fact that if you fall off of the tractor, it stops. And, I suppose, they are safer for me too...

 

[N80]

It sure would when one when one is pontificating.

"Pontificating?"No fair, big words confuse some of us. Right?

And hey, Egon, if the mitre fits....wear it. (Get it? No? Sigh.)

May whatever Deity in fashion have mercy on the patients.

John of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jake98]

easy george, most of us are drinking or doing what our wives say... breath deep

the 'pandora radio' is stealing my time, got it hooked to the 600w. Yamaha at the moment.

Gotta go before i start .. well whatever..NO

Just remembered...osheeze

 

[jake98]

the best thing about EGON is that he's always there for you, isn't he?

man i must be bored. spelling is alot more interesting than what i think..

 

[N80]

easy george, most of us are drinking

Well that explains a few things! But it just ticks me off. Worked all day long, nothing on TV (who gives a rip about Notre Dame vs BC) and unlike you guys, I cannot have beer....I'm on call.

... breath deep

Can't...can't catch my breath...laughing too hard. And I'm too young to have an excuse for wetting myself.

the 'pandora radio' is stealing my time, got it hooked to the 600w. Yamaha at the moment.

Don't even know what that is. Guess my kids are right about me.

 

[john_bud]

No! At the time I was purchasing my L4400, the next closest HST tractor I could afford was over 10hp less. Thats 45 vs less than 35. I don't care who you are, that is significant, and way more than your 'couple percent'. It could be narrower now, I don't know. I understand the difference between an L4400 HSt vs geared is about 2 grand. That's pretty significant too and that 2 grand will take you up into a higher class of tractor.

Interesting comparison. My 27.5 pto hp HST tractor is about 5/8th the hp of my TLB 12 speed gear tractor. The TLB is about 9000 pounds where the hst is about 4500. The TLB has a 20 cuft bucket on the front and a 10 cuft bucket on the hoe. The hst has an 8.8 cuft bucket.

Can you guess which one is able to move more dirt in less time? Need a hint? It's ain't the TLB.

Part of that is the 2wd vs 4wd. But a majority is the functionality of the hst being able to go from forward to backward while dumping the bucket and repositioning it for the next go round. It's harder to shift gears, steer clutch and position the bucket all at the same time. Yet, taking out the need for the hand to be on the gear shift and FEL stick makes it possible. (HST). It is also the ability to ease into the pile and exactly match lifting, roll back with forward pressure. It's also having full hydraulic pressure & flow as I ease into said pile. My foot throttle on the gear tractor can give me more flow, but a too fast of ground speed. Some have said they can feather the clutch. Yeah, do that 500 time a day and see how long it lasts...

But some like gears, some like powershift (glideshift) and some like hst. That's why they make multiple types, there is no one perfect transmission for all people for all uses.

 

[N80]

I don't think there is any doubt that an HST will move more material in the loader from one point to another than a gear tractor of the same size. And in commercial applications where time is money that would be important.

For how many of us is that a significant issue?