gear vs. hydro for pulling tiller

Bob_Skurka · Dec 20, 2004

Just a question, or perhaps an observation, but lowering the engine RPMs to a level that would cause a 1000rpm PTO to run at approxminately 540rpm would very likely cause a substantial drop in torque. Or I certainly think it would, as the torque curve of most engines typically peaks near the peak of the HP curve, and both of those typically are near the rpm range required to run the PTO at 540 rpm.

KiotiJohn · Dec 20, 2004

( If you were lacking power to pull the tiller in first gear because it moved to fast, wouldn't lowering the RPM to get 540 on a 1000 PTO be counter productive. You would have even less power then (because of less RPM) when PTO power is what you were lacking in the first place.)
Dargo, he's talking about increasing the PTO RPM to 1000, not lowering it to 540. While, in theory, this may work, but raising to PTO 1000 and then lowering the RPM effectively does the same thing, lowers it to less than 1000. Operating a tiller rated for 540 RPM at a higher RPM may damage the tiller, and the tractor still may travel too fast for effective tilling. I read an article related to this, but can't find it now.
John
EDIT: Just reread your post Dargo, and you said the same thing I did, but I read yours wrong the first time. Guess it's time for more sleep again! John

Tractors4u · Dec 20, 2004

( I think that many CUT gear tractors have 1st set too high for proper tilling. )

I have 3 ranges on my gear tractor for a total of 12 speeds. In mid range first gear it is slow enough for tilling. I rarely put the tractor in the lowest range.

Bob_Skurka · Dec 20, 2004

Brent, your JD is one of the more versitile tractors out there, many small CUTs don't have the gear range you have.

JerryG · Dec 20, 2004

I rarely put the tractor in the lowest range. 
That is the way I am most of the time. Mine has 4 ranges with 4 speeds in each (16 speeds).

milkman · Dec 21, 2004

I like that recipe also, but I use white onions, they're just better IMHO. Don't want to turn this into a yellow vs white discussion though. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

kensfarm · Dec 21, 2004

The TC35D hydro is a fine tractor.. will pull a two bottom plow all day(okay I've only done 4-5 hours at one time).. will run a tiller(the tiller actually makes the tractor work harder then the plows).. bushhog.. and w/ an FEL.. it'll get the job done. I've had mine for almost 5 years now.. for mowing & part time farming/gardening.. you won't regret it!

Bob_Skurka · Dec 21, 2004

I like that recipe also, but I use white onions, they're just better IMHO. Don't want to turn this into a yellow vs white discussion though. 

Milkman, I respect your decision not to want to turn this into a yellow versus white discussion, but some of us prefer a good red onion to top off our burgers or for roasting with butter inside foil on the BBQ. Personally I feel somewhat slighted by your insensitive comment that omits red onions completely. I can only imagine the pain that the garlic and leek lovers of the world feel based on your exclusionary comments.

thcri · Dec 21, 2004

( 
I like that recipe also, but I use white onions, they're just better IMHO. Don't want to turn this into a yellow vs white discussion though. )

Actually, I can't stand onions!! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

murph

Soundguy · Dec 21, 2004

( Soundguy, that is exactly my experience with an old Oliver and an old Ford, 1st was simply too fast for tilling up my hard )

Yep.. those machines could plow all day.. but tilling.. they were too fast for. Ford had an aux tranny that worked around this.. but it is rare..

( think that many CUT gear tractors have 1st set too high for proper tilling.
)

Old ones anyway. most of the 'new' onews seem to have all sorts of gearing. My ex-Nh 1920 and my 7610s have/had 1st/1st or 1st and low ranges that were painfully slow..Methinks those would be ok for tilling.

Soundguy