Generator Voltage Question

   / Generator Voltage Question #11  
Re: ballancing the generator and 120/240

alco141, There may be more than just the two problems you mentioned, depending on the AirConditioner in question. If the unit isn't "soft start" or at least a "scroll" compressor the locked rotor or starting surge current may be something like 4-5 times the run current. 5000 watt gennys (likely an absolutely max short period rating) probably won't source 50-60 amps too well to start some RV A/C units and could "pop" a breaker trying.

In the "typical" RV installation, battery charging is provided by an auxiliary function of the "converter" which provides 12 VDC when you are plugged into "shore power" or are running the genny. These battery charging functions are pretty darned poor in most instances, a trickle charger at best. You might have a 12 VDC converter rated for 45, 65, or over 100 amps to run lights, radios, sat tv etc. but that is NOT how the battery is charged. It is a slow and innefficient method of battery charging to run a genny to power the converter to get the converter's charging circuit to charge the RV batteries.

You will get the job done much better and faster if you use a batery charger sized to charge the total amp hours of batteries to be charged at one time and power that charger from the generator. My converter AT BEST charges at 5 amps and as I have 325 amp hours at 12 volts that is way undersized. It is not too expensive to buy a good regulating (automatic adjusting) charger and be way ahead. You will save generator fuel and run time and you could save your or a neighbors nerves.

In my case, if battery charging were a perfectly efficient operation and my battery bank was at half charge, I would have to supply 162.5 amp hours to top it off. At a 5 amp rate that would be 32.5 hours. Battery charging is NOT 100% efficient so the actual time required is much longer. I use a 20 amp charger and wish I had bought a larger one. Your battery bank capacity and condition and built in charging rate will likely be different but this illustrated the main idea.

A parting shot: I sometimes camp where it is really dry (low relative humidity). For that situation I have a rooftop mounted swamp cooler (evaporative A/C) which uses about 5-6 amps at 12 volts depending on high or low speed. It is powered by the rooftop solar cells (up to 14 amps in bright sun) and boy are those solar cells quiet compared to the aux gen.

Patrick
 
   / Generator Voltage Question #12  
If your 120/240 volt outlet is a 20 amp outlet then this would probably work.
 

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   / Generator Voltage Question #13  
If your 120/240 volt outlet is a 30 amp outlet then this would probably work.

These cords have a box on the end with both standard 120 volt outlets and a 240 volt outlet.

They are pricey but if you want to utilize all of the power available from your generator this is the way to do it.
 

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   / Generator Voltage Question #14  
Here is the specs on these gen-cords.
 

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Re: ballancing the generator and 120/240

Alco141,
Thanks for the explanation. The load balancing idea sounds like something I need to try.
thanks again
Joe
 
   / Generator Voltage Question #16  
Grainger has just about anything but one thing about them, they sure are proud of their stuff! If a fellow was handy he could build the same cord for $50 or under. The last time I bought SO cable, which you could use instead of the SOW, it was under a buck a foot for 12/2 w/ground. 10/2 shouldn't be a lot higher. If I think about it I'll price the parts out at Lowe's or Home Depot when I'm there in the next day or two and post them.
 
   / Generator Voltage Question #17  
#10 sw cable

the cheapest 10-3 sow cable i could find was atr walmart in the rv section, colored orange and has a regular plug and recpticle on it about $27.00 for 25 feet, i cut off the ends and added my own special plugs ends to fit into my transfer panel and generator, used a separate ground wire on the generator (always a good idea). works well, and was the least expensive cord i could find.
 
   / Generator Voltage Question #18  
I know this is an old thread but I finally got to Lowe's and priced out the cable. 10/3 SJEOW runs $1.24 a foot. I didn't get the price on the ends because I got distracted. If you find somewhere that stocks SO or SOW it would be cheaper. I also chased down the meanings of the letters...
S: Hard Service Flexible Cord
SJ: Junior Hard Service Flexible Cord
E: Thermoplastic elastomer insulation
T: Thermoplastic insulation
O: Jacket is oil resistant
OO: Jacket and conductors are oil resistant
W: Outdoor rated
The article I read listed "W-A" as outdoor rated but all I've seen and bought as outdoor cord had just a "W" on it.
After taking the time to find this stuff I just had to post it! ;)
 
   / Generator Voltage Question #19  
bgott,
Thanks for posting this information; I have wondered what all the acronyms meant. I like you have many questions regarding the right purchase of a generator. I have identified what it will be used for but have not been able to find reliable information from the sales people.
PJ
 

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