Getting a .45 pistol

   / Getting a .45 pistol #71  
I can't think of any handgun that can be disassembled when cocked.

cp1969 said:
Colt 1911.
Yep yep in fact it has to be. And so does my astra.
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #72  
Podunkadunk, since you mentioned “The analogy of not buying it until after you’ve 10k rounds is crazy”, I have to assume you’re quoting me, and please allow me to rebut.

First, 10,000 rounds was an exaggeration on my part, however the idea is that you’re so familiar with your sidearm and proficient in shooting it, that if using a laser on your sidearm, the laser is an added “feature”, not a “crutch” like I’ve seen some people rely upon.

Funny, I never did read up on the trajectory of a laser.

A question. If you’re using only tritium inserts or “night sights” on your handgun, how many rounds does it take you to shoot in total darkness before you lose your natural “night vision sight” and can no longer “align” your sights (even if you have tritium inserts)?

You should be able to answer that question.

First off, I don’t consider myself anti technology (laser) and I’m assuming you mean me (if I’m incorrect, apologies). A laser is awesome, particularly if you can see the laser beam, your opponent, and where you’re aiming at, including the laser beam, all at the same time when your opponent is in total darkness and cannot see you or the laser. However, any visible light is VISIBLE not only to yourself, but also to your adversary. Do you know at what angle you can “pick up” a beam of light (laser) from a handgun when you’re on the “receiving end”? You’d be surprised.

Also, without an outside sourse of light to actually see where you are shooting, you could littereally have a red dot on someones forehead 30' away and not even know it. One reason why I'd take a light over a laser any time of the day (or night). You need to know what you are shooting at.

As far as an intruder in your own home, perhaps another debate as far as tactics, however for myself, I’m minimizing the variables that increase the likelihood of myself getting injured, which means I get loves ones in a secure place, retreat and take a defensive position with lanes of fire already set up which forces my opponent into those lanes, and minimizes the chances that my opponent knows where I’m at, while I am awaiting for help to arrive.

10,000 rounds is not hard to do as far as practice. Funny, one time I was informing one instructor of mine that I already had 12k through the gun and the year wasn’t even halfway over yet. I’ll never forget the question he asked me, “out of those 12,000 rounds, how many were shot while you were upside down and how many were shot in total darkness?” His point was that people tend to practice what they are used to and comfortable with. Only problem is that when you get hit with the unexpected, you usually aren’t comfortable and don’t practice those scenarios on a regular basis.

Your analogy of the fighter pilot is pretty far off IMO. You would have been better to say “It would be like telling a fighter pilot not to use his HUD (Heads Up Display) while engaging the enemy". Makes more sense, missiles and guns are the actual means to taking your opponent out, the HUD is a means to utilize the weapon systems, such as the laser the means to utilized the gun more effectively.

Yes, I happen to have a variety of scopes for rifles. I have/had ACOGS, EO Techs, Aimpoints and some other “fun” equipment for my AR’s, and interesting enough, I still know how to use the iron sights. Out at a range one day, guy was showing me his AR that he was really proud of. Had ARMS mounts on the flat top, but also had a front and rear iron sight (ARMS as well for the rear) on a mounting plate with a spacer so the sights would co-exist with his Aimpoint (apparently he bought the gun from a guy who built it on his own). Funny, after I put a couple of rounds through it with the Aimpoint on, I turned the devise off to use the iron sights. They (the iron sights) were way off. I asked him if or when he was going to sight the iron sights in and he told me sheepishly that he didn’t know how to! I showed him, but I found it amazing that a guy would spend over a thousand dollars on a gun and not even know or try to find out how to sight in his gun with iron sights. I LOVE to shoot the M1A and FAL with open sights out past 500 yards. Some guys don’t realize the guns are built to do it.

Heck I even have a laser for my side arms. They make a great training devise while dry firing to see what movement you have while shooting, and one drill in particular that I’m fond of for showing people how much they can flinch while shooting and not even realize it (for this, the laser is a GREAT training tool).

You’re absolutely right, to each his own, and if having a laser on your sidearm makes you a better shooter, by all means get one. I’ve just seen to many people use a laser for a crutch, and most of the men whom I admire and respect and what I’d would consider very good with a side arm don’t feel the need for a laser, and from personal experience, feel the same (these men are not paid nor given a laser, we all know manufacturers would never give product away or pay someone to use it to increase sales)

That said, just wanted to mention some of the things/experiences I’ve come across so hopefully my thoughts don’t seem so crazy as you may think.
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #73  
21 years in the United States Navy... Never issue a .45 to sailor... will shoot himself in the leg or foot... I can't understand why a Colt .45 can only be loaded to 7 rounds due to clip spring failure... To me, that is a failure in the contract process.

mark
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #74  
mjarrels said:
21 years in the United States Navy... Never issue a .45 to sailor... will shoot himself in the leg or foot... I can't understand why a Colt .45 can only be loaded to 7 rounds due to clip spring failure... To me, that is a failure in the contract process.

mark

Not sure what you're talking about here. There are aftermarket magazines that hold 8 and more. Never heard of spring failure though, the reason you can only load 7 rounds is that's all that they'll hold.
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #75  
mjarrels said:
21 years in the United States Navy... Never issue a .45 to sailor... will shoot himself in the leg or foot... I can't understand why a Colt .45 can only be loaded to 7 rounds due to clip spring failure... To me, that is a failure in the contract process.

mark

I totally agree. However, I do not blame the sailor for this. I blame the command. I've worked with the Navy on many occasions and have been aghast each time I was in proximity to Sailors wielding small arms.
I used to work at an indoor range in Norfolk, VA where the Navy would qualify with M9's. Needless to say, the majority are lacking basic safety training.
Personally, I feel the command should be held more accountable for firearm related accidents as the majority of Sailors I witnessed have not been properly trained to handle weapons.

Back to the topic at hand: I recommend you look into the Glock 30. Its a compact 45 ACP that shoots very soft due to the Dual captive recoil and overall ergonomics. They are typically dead nuts reliable, don't rust and are simple to break down. They are thick and heavy, but very shootable. I carry mine in a Fobus paddle and it carries well for its size.
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #76  
Slacker said:
I totally agree. However, I do not blame the sailor for this. I blame the command. I've worked with the Navy on many occasions and have been aghast each time I was in proximity to Sailors wielding small arms.
I used to work at an indoor range in Norfolk, VA where the Navy would qualify with M9's. Needless to say, the majority are lacking basic safety training.
Personally, I feel the command should be held more accountable for firearm related accidents as the majority of Sailors I witnessed have not been properly trained to handle weapons.

Back to the topic at hand: I recommend you look into the Glock 30. Its a compact 45 ACP that shoots very soft due to the Dual captive recoil and overall ergonomics. They are typically dead nuts reliable, don't rust and are simple to break down. They are thick and heavy, but very shootable. I carry mine in a Fobus paddle and it carries well for its size.

I was told that the Navy doesn't qualify sailors or even expose them to firearms training in bootcamp anymore. He said that it stopped several years ago, but can't remember the exact year in the 90's. Nowadays, sailors get specific firearms training at their final command (if needed). Talk about kinder and gentler.? So, I agree with your comment regarding the sailors. It's pitiful!

On another note, the brand new and newly released Springfield Armory 1911 short action EMP (Enhanced Micro Pistol) comes in 9mm or .40 s&w. Sounds like a winner. Small as heck and packs a punch. I'm definitely going to go look at one.

It just won the NRA's Handgun of the Year Award. Here's a link:
2007 Bullseye awards
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #77  
The Springfield XD45 is a great gun. It shoots very smooth and you can't complain abotu 13+1 rounds of 45 ammo. The grip is not too big as someone mentioned. I have small hands and it fits me just fine. The grip walls are VERY thin and the grip gets its strength from the steel body of the magazine.
 
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#78  
Ok, here is my update on the Springfield XD45. I've probably put about 1,500 rounds or so through it. I've been using Winchester target/range (white box) in 230 grain FMJ but recently I tried some Remington in 230 grain FMJ (Dick's sporting goods had a sale). I have not had a single misfire or any problems with stovepiping or ejections. I of course clean it after each time shooting (usually go through 200 or so rounds). I would definitely recommend this gun to anyone. It was quite easy to field strip and clean.
I took Joe's (sigarms) advice and stayed away from the laser sight for now and it was the best advice as I can see my shooting getting better. I normally shoot at about 40 to 50 feet while still getting familiar with the pistol.
Now I'm thinking about reloading (I pay about $28 for 100 rounds of Winchesters at Wally World) to save some money, but was curious on start up costs. Right now the only thing I will be reloading is .45 ACP but maybe later on, I may do some 9mm. I'll probably go through 2,000 or so rounds a year.
Thanks again for the help!
Steve
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #79  
You will get all kinds of suggestions to get a progressive reloader, such as a Dillon.

They are nice; I have one.

But I suggest you reload for a while on a single stage. There is nothing quite so reassuring as looking down on a loading block full of cases prior to bullet seating, and seeing that each case has one and ONLY one charge of powder in it.

Also, get a carbide sizing die right up front. Lubing cases is for the other guy.
 
   / Getting a .45 pistol #80  
Wow, theres no input shortage on gun topics is there. :D So, heres mine... ;)

Id find an indoor range that has a rental counter where you can shoot a variety of HGs in the caliber youre thinking about. Then you can see what fits and what doesnt, what works well and what doesnt. Youre only out the cost of the rental and ammo which is small compared to a purchase price. Ive found this keeps me from making purchase mistakes 99% of the time. Using a range gun also gives a very good idea how a piece is going to stand up over time. Id say range guns get a max of use, abuse and usually little care. If it can survive as a range gun then thats a good indicator itll serve you well.

As for a brand Id vote for a Glock. Nothing beats it for simplicity, serviceability and reliability. Theres also a huge after market of add-ons.
 

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