Backhoe Getting a CK20Hst and liking the 70x over Kioti BH and want opinions??

[deezler]

Just a quick suggestion to check ebay for the woods backhoes. They are often listed on there by Rosseel's, a big shop out here in southeast Michigan. When I was doing some research a little while back, I found that no one could even come close to their pricing.

Might be worth showing a quote from them to you local dealer as a serious bargaining tool.

 

[Jagged1]

Just a quick suggestion to check ebay for the woods backhoes. They are often listed on there by Rosseel's, a big shop out here in southeast Michigan. When I was doing some research a little while back, I found that no one could even come close to their pricing.

Might be worth showing a quote from them to you local dealer as a serious bargaining tool.

Thanks, Actually I did talk to them... They sell them on ebay and I got a quote for the 70x and the install package, but the shipping was the killer (to me in NY anyways). I think it was over $600 and it made having to install it and worry about the warranty with a DIY install seem like less of a good deal. I think we could do the install, which is why I got the quote, but it needs to be worthwhile and have less potential side effects. Risking the 2yr warranty to save a few hundred bucks was an issue; now a grand plus might have changed that but it wasn't enough savings vs risk with the killer shipping and having to install it. Actually I think the shipper should install it for $600+ :laughing:

The sub-frame is a killer for the CK20 too ($1435.00 ), but I'm hoping that means it's built like a tank... It really seems to tie the tractor together with the sub-frame staying on and linking the whole underside, which also helps the loader transmit its forced throughout the whole tractor. The Woods sub-frame also keeps that weight on the tractor (and its mounted down low). So when the hoe is off so it should help some with ballast and keeping a low center of gravity too. It will still need more ballast, but it's not going to waste either by having it there.

The sub-frame on the BH6000 I saw was impressive and that hoe was smaller with pretty underwhelming specs (when compared to the 70x or 2465 anyways). It also preserved the ground clearance a lot (it stayed tucked up in, above the loader mounts lowest point) and that's an issue that lead me to the Woods over the Kioti and I hope that translates to the 70x's sub-frame too.

I guess I could have used some of his numbers on the dealer, but the shipping wouldn't have helped me much. :laughing:
One of the dealers I talked to was feeding me the I don't make much on the little tractors line and shipping charges and such, but it seemed a bit choreographed and we passed to do more research. Then the dealer we are working with now came in $500 less so I'm glad We followed our instincts.


If you live close enough I bet it saves a good amount going with Rosseel's, but if it's not driving distance and/or you need it shipped a ways then the savings starts to look less attractive as the shipping eats it up. I wonder now if it would have been cheaper to ship if it were shipped to a shipping distribution hub instead of a residence? I assume he can price the hoe better being closer to Woods but that makes shipping from him killer if you aren't close. You'd think it was the only thing on the truck at that price!!

Later, Glen

 

[blucoondawg]

I just bought my 90x through Rosseel's and paid around 500 shipping to NorthCentral Wisconsin, even at that it was still a substantial savings compared to any local dealer, and installation was extra at all the local guys as well, and they charge shop rate not a set price so installation can get pricey in a hurry as I have quite a few hours into it myself and there isn't much they could do quicker especially since they aren't Kioti dealers and have likely never mounted a hoe on a Kioti tractor. I am not sure how the self install effects the warranty, I suspect it would depend on what went wrong with the hoe and frame to cause a problem, it is easy enough to mount if you follow the directions so I would conclude that if you mount it accordingly they will still warranty it, unless they can look at the damage and see that it was caused by improper mounting or abuse, really the mount is simple enought that I don't really think you can do it wrong, they seem like a reputable company, I think they would stand behind their product, at least I would hope.

I believe I paid 1460 for my subframe for my 90x and DK50SE , for the frame for the smaller hoe and smaller tractor I would hope yours would be less as it should be smaller. As for linking the whole tractor together, I don't know how your CK is set up but my DK was already linked from the loader to the rear axle, you must remove this part of the stock frame and replace it with the hoe subframe, really the DK is tied together just as well with the stock framework as it is with the hoe frame.

 

[Jesse masterson]

I put a subframe on my dk 45 and it was only 500 for the frame , I put it on but that's a rhino 95 c

 

[Jagged1]

In the Woods book the sub-frame for the CK20 was around $1950.00 MSRP and even Rosseel's wanted $1435 for it. The total package would have been $400+chg or so cheaper, but I'd have to install it and I figured this way the dealer install won't create warranty issues.

If it was a bigger chunk of change I'd have gotten it through Rosseel's for sure; not that $400.00 isn't a good savings but we still don't have a concrete floor in the new barn and not installing a backhoe in my gravel drive seemed worth it! I've done enough transmissions and other under the vehicle work (on gravel) to never want to do that again... I also have disabilities that would mean whoever I have "helping" gets stuck doing most of the work.

I also think we got a reasonable deal because the dealers quote was made before they saw how much the sub-frame was for the CK20; it might have been more had they actually looked it up first. They didn't even think the 70x would work on the CK20, but thanks to tractorbynet and a few other sources I knew it would. I think the Woods sub-frames for other Kioti's are a good bit cheaper and they were going on that average price but I'm not sure. They may have just figured smaller tractor cheaper sub-frame. :thumbsup: They must have had enough profit padded to honor the quote so that's good in my case. I doubt they would have eaten the difference it if they weren't still making out OK.

The dealer is supposed to call me back with info about adding the thumb. Hopefully we can do that too.

Later, Glen

 

[PatasColo]

Hey Glen & others,
Best of luck on your purchase. We bought the CK20HST and KB2465 a few months back. We also have a lot of rock to deal with, but I'm guessing it is different than yours. Ours is layered sandstone. Big blocks and also a lot of varied smaller pieces. Search for my threads/posts and you'll see some photos. Also, we got a 60" boxblade (I got the Bobcat brand, as that is what they had), and I'd say it is the right size for this tractor.

A few responses to some points/questions in this thread.

• I did get a thumb for the KB2465, from Michigan Iron Works, and it clamps on easily (no welding required). Somewhere around $350 with shipping.
• Just learning to use the thumb, but it can sure pick up some heavy rocks that I cannot!
• The KB2465 is heavy and hangs far off the back... going up what I consider a "medium slope" can make the front wheels rise off the ground ... Not sure how Woods will compare, but something to watch the first time you drive up a slope. Alternatives: Go up backwards, or have something loaded in the front bucket, or go slower.
• I got the 16" bucket, and if doing combined rock and dirt moving (as on my sandstone), I'm glad it's not any smaller... would have very little volume for dirt and broken rock, which I have to move while moving bigger rocks. Something you may wish to consider.
• The 13,600 price seems right on, if I take the backhoe and boxblade out of my latest purchase. I also got an engine block heater (installed... I think it is also Bobcat brand).

Let me know anytime you'd like to share specific experiences. I'm still being careful with the backhoe, since I'm not 100% sure of the forces that all parts are meant to take. Example: I was going to get the "Bigfoot" pads, but then felt a little concerned on the lateral forces they could exercise on the outrigger pistons (which seem mostly designed to keep the tractor from tipping). Based on reading some posts here on TN, I concluded that improving my backhoe technique would help keep the tractor from moving as much as the Bigfoot pads would. So far, that seems to be true, and I think I'm getting to be a better operator to boot. :thumbsup: YMMV.
-Mitch

 

[bherr]

Glen & Chasen,
I'm near Binghamton, soon to be the test well site for fracking.
Writing the check tomorrow for 13.6 plus 8%. I called another dealer to compare and was quoted 17K.
Next question - How's Everything Attachments quality? Prices are certainly attractive.
Bill

 

[chasenmojo]

Glen & Chasen,
I'm near Binghamton, soon to be the test well site for fracking.
Writing the check tomorrow for 13.6 plus 8%. I called another dealer to compare and was quoted 17K.
Next question - How's Everything Attachments quality? Prices are certainly attractive.
Bill

bherr, sorry to hear you are soon to be in the land of polution. better buy stock in aquafina. thats a good price on that unit. congrats on that. just found a ds3510 for 14100 im gonna pull the trigger on that one. as far as everything attachments, my father just got a york rake from there with the wheel kit and the quality way surpasses what you would get from your local tsc. have fun and good luck with your tractor!

 

[Jagged1]

Hi guys, I live near Fonda, so not too far away. Right along the mighty Mohawk... right between nowhere and lessware.

8% you really need to plant something or two somethings so you can get an exemption! Maybe get some chickens, sell some eggs! Also good for backup meat if you can bring yourself to do it... Well there's always the rooster, nobody minds chopping their heads off... :cool2: a few early mornings and you'll look forward to it!

17K is a heck of a markup, did it have the chrome 20" pimp rims on it? :laughing:

I was looking at box blades at everything attachments and they do look well made. They seem to combine the best features of all their competitors and beat the prices of some of the big names as well.

Some of the box blades I looked at locally were more expensive and didn't even have replaceable blades. The everything attachments ones "do" and they also have clevis pins attachments instead of pins. Even the smaller ones look like they are made like their made to last; a lot of other brands look like their smaller (60" under) units don't matter and are cut to the cheap end too much. I realize they don't take the abuse the big boys do, but sometimes I swear they save pennies without regard the the sales they lose in the process.

I'm not sure about everything attachments other stuff, but if they put the same quality and thought into their other equipment, they should do well. I will likely consider them for any future purchases.

Well we decided to get the thumb for the hoe and money is getting tight now. Those stinkin backhoes aren't cheap and ate up all the implement cash for now. :laughing:

As for the fracking, well I don't know what to think! The real problem is we need energy, but once you make a mistake and poison the groundwater, you can't fix it; so I hope they've really got their "A" game on with this experiment. I certainly hope they are watched carefully too, I don't like bureaucracy much but the thought of doing this darn near everywhere with the risk it poses screams caution. I hope no Ill comes to your home and area and any energy they find is truly worth it.

Later, Glen