girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer

   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #21  
I think for you it's going to be about what good deal appears. I would also jump on the band wagon of Diesel. There is a reason that you see diesels in every heavy duty application. Tow truck, trash truck, fire truck, dump truck etc... Good longevity good for moving heavy weights. You could be looking at a big repair bill with anything you buy used. My advice is buy a used 3500 truck in your price range. I have a 2004 Dodge diesel and have been happy with it. I don't care what you buy but I think you make a mistake by excluding certain brands.
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #22  
My thoughts would be to look for a used dually, probably 2wd (cheaper and usually has just a bit more towing capacity) with a big gas engine. The reason why is that the diesels in your price range may run well, but the rest of the truck may be worn out. Where as a truck with a big gas engine probably has much lower miles, was more likely to be a personnal truck than commercial, and sellers know that to compete with the diesel offerings, the truck must be pristene (look new, drive like new, new tires, brakes and shocks, etc).

Every truck pulling those loads will drain the fuel tank surprisingly fast! There will be days that you stop and check for a fuel leak. I've recorded as low as 5 mpg in my old 454 (1983) towing around 10K lbs. Of course, the newer trucks will do much better, but don't expect much beyond 10 mpg. Even the diesels will only get marginally better mpgs loaded, so if its not an everyday thing, my opinion is the gas truck will be more economical.

Another thing to steer clear of is the small block trucks with automatic. Not that they are bad or unreliable, but they will not pull as much weight and will be very slow, suck down even more gas, and wear out quicker. For whatever reason, I've seen more transmissions fail behind the small gas engines than big block or diesel engines.

Good luck on your search and post some pics when you get your new ride!
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #23  
If you find a good deal Don't be afraid of the GM 6.5 diesels. They had no more problems than any of the others of the same era. I would recommend any thing 97 or later. The cooling was beefed up by then and the problem with the injection pump control module and heat was solved by then. Those were the two major sources of problems with those engines. Mechanically it is a very solid engine.

Vernon
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer
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#24  
laen64, tree farm is just getting started so no current available inventory from my property, right now I sell what others grow. I specialize in out of state shipments with semi load minimums. So far, business is good.

What do you guys think about pricing on the trailers? I will buy used if I can, minimum 20' gooseneck, because I'm buying used I will entertain other sizes and any brand on the market. Was offered a nearly new Pro Trak 35' for $5500, is that a decent price?
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #25  
Look for broken welds, cracked steel and boards, and wear on the tires and brakes. Tires alone will cost about $900 for a GN trailer and brakes can be that much again if totally worn. Other than that I would compare the price of a new trailer just like the used one you are looking at but my guess is that is a little high. One thing I have found is the mid west has the best prices on trailers so if you are willing to drive you can save 30% or more.

In my area I just priced a new 20' plus 5' beaver tail so 25' total GN for a customer and it was $5500 new from Gator Made Trailers. They are on the Kentucky Tennessee line right off 75.

Chris
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer
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#26  
These trucks are definitely out there, found a 2000 Chevy 3500 crew cab dually w/71K miles that was in good shape but it only had a 350 V8???? Isn't that a light weight engine for such a big truck? My 1500 has a 350 in it....

Thanks to deereguy for forwarding an extra good deal he found in his area.
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #27  
350 will get the job done but will be slow as all get out. My neighbor has a F-700 dump truck with a Ford 390. Max weight is something like 24,000# and gets 4.5 mpg loaded or not. Will only run in the low 50's, maybe 56 mph. Takes a mile to get up to that speed but does the job and was cheap. He bought it for $2500 and he has probably hauled 750 loads or more over the last 10 years of ownership at 6 tons per load.

Chris
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #28  
If the trailer was indeed nearly new and was a 20,000 lb rated trailer with tandem dual tires that would not be a bad price around here. If it was a lighter weight 14,000 with singles I would think it to be a bit high.

You mentioned looking at any length, I have seen several 40' trailers for sale in my area as "hot shot" services close down and would caution that those are not known for being manuverable in town or in our case trying to get thru farm gates with them. I have never actually heard the same complaint out of trailers in the 32' to 35' class and under. My equipment trailer is 30' overall and is not bad at all.

My personal experience with Chevy 350's and heavy pulling was not good. As mentioned it would be slow and working hard if you pulled heavy loads with it a lot.
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #29  
I'll tell you what I did... am very happy with it. I think you would be too.

My needs were for a truck that could haul a 24ft cattle trailer filled with 12 mother cows (that's 13,000+ live weight plus trailer weight)

Also pull a 20 foot dump trailer rated for 21,000 lbs.

I do this only occasionally... maybe once/twice a month.

I was fortunate to locate a '97 F350 7.3 Powerstoke manual shift diesel crewcab dually for $5000 that had been babied although it has over 320,000 miles on it. Both trailers are gooseneck hitches. I would NOT tow such loads without a gooseneck...

Given a perfect world, I would like 4 wheel drive as well.... with such heavy loads, when I get out in the pasture/off pavement and am slow moving or backing up, I really wish I had the extra traction and speed control that 4 wheel drive provides... but I make do with careful clutch feathering.

The F350 7.3 Powerstroke diesels are legendary for their pulling power and reasonable reliability...although as with any engine, there are lots of things that can break. Unloaded, I get just over 13 mpg. Lightly loaded trailer = just over 12 mpg. Loaded = around 10 mpg.

Additionally, you will need good, extended towing mirrors. Possibly a fuel tank in the back of the pickup. Learn to back up using the mirrors... it just takes practice, practice, practice. You also need trailer brakes and a brake controller. Be aware that there are several different electrical connectors used for a trailer... you may discover you need more than one connector or an adapter.
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #30  
I was fortunate to locate a '97 F350 7.3 Powerstoke manual shift diesel crewcab dually for $5000 that had been babied although it has over 320,000 miles on it. Both trailers are gooseneck hitches. I would NOT tow such loads without a gooseneck...
I'd like it in AT std Cab SRW AC with a flat dump bed on it.
 
   / girl needs purchasing advice on tow truck/trailer #31  
For ANY vehicle that will be on/in/around a farm I think 4WD AND a limited slip rear axle are ESSENTIAL.
ESPECIALLY if trailers are part of the picture.
The duallie will "float" across mud better than any single rear wheel vehicle, regardless of how "PHAT" the tires are - within reason, I'm assuming NOT monster trucks with tractor or earth mover tires (-:
4 tires 215 or 235 across won't rut like 2 285 or 305 tires and if you are seriously considering a 6 horse trailer I doubt that a SRW will be rated high enough for your pin load anyway.
1 ton or Kodiak ? Somewhere I read that the Kodiak actually turns tighter than the 1 ton.
2 door "regular", extended, or crew ?
8ft bed or 6ft ? I suggest 8ft, but with a crew cab that gets to be a LONG truck and if you put a 6 horse trailer behind it a rig that can't go where long rigs are prohibited.

Duramax, after 2004 1/2 if your budget permits, I'm not sure when the 6 speed automatic was phased in, I have the '03 5-speed and doubt that I will wear it out.
Tow/haul mode behaves DIFFERENTLY on Dodge, Ford, GM(Allison).
So does engine braking, so be sure to test drive them to get a feel for how this feature works FOR YOU !

I like flat beds, no need to worry too much about the goosie trailer taking out the truck's side rails, so I bought mine as a chassis/cab and had a Hillsboro aluminum flat put on, you can build wooden stake sides if you want the real "Faahhhhm" truck look (-:
 

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