Give me some guidance here--please!!!

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jcmseven

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Fellow Posters,

As many of you know, I have a new XUV Gator John Deere. It is the diesel model. I have been very happy with it. My father, who is 76 years old (and my mother) have some property where they own a cabin in the northwest NC mountains, about two hours from where I live. He has been maintaining about eight acres or so using a 2002 Polaris ATV that I bought him for Christmas that year. Due to his advancing age and arthritic shoulders he can no longer effectively steer this large, heavy machine--so it frequently sits idle. I have thought about helping my dad sell his ATV and get a UTV with a steering wheel. I have thought--and he loves this thought--in giving him my Gator and my getting something else. He likes JD products and has operated my machine--feeling comfortable with it. If I do get something else I may consider branching out. I have been pleased with my XUV but am impressed by the offerings of Polaris and Kubota, particularly. I need something to work about 90% of the time and play 10% of the time. I do a lot of errands picking up heavy rocks, etc. at the top of our 6000' mountain. I pull heavy loads and would like something that has strong brakes or good engine braking. I need something that can hold its speed going up 15%+ gradients with a load trailered or in the bed. The Polaris has plenty of power and seems sporty, but I wonder if its non-power steering is a liability. My Gator with its aftermarket wheels and tires steers fine at speed and less fine when going slow. I also like the fact that the composite sides and bed of the Polaris seem more dent and scratch resistant. The high top speed is a plus, but it seems the engine braking and brake wear might be a concern. I have a good local dealer but due to liability issues as he puts it, he will not allow me to try a machine on my property for a day. That said the price seems competitive and the machine seems good. The Kubota seems like a real workhorse, but my concern is its lack of travel, lack of true four wheel drive and seemingly unfavorable top speed and power/weight ratio. I am concerned it will labor in my hills. My Gator, which has equivalent horsepower to the Kubota and weighes less, does not like some of my steeper hills. The gasoline XUV I had before would almost stop on some of them with any appreciable load. The Kubota has some nice features, but seems more expensive and I also wonder how well it removes snow. One major task I have in winter is snow removal for certain parts of my neighborhood. We are talking steep drives and roads with no shoulder. Sliding here will result in almost certain injury or death. Knowing these facts to start, which of these machines would the group recommend me pursue?? I will be happy to provide further information upon request.

John M
 
   / Give me some guidance here--please!!!
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I should mention my Gator is not brand new. I have put about 50 hours on it. Sorry about that--just clarifying.

John M
 
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You mention needing engine braking as a necessity.
I would consider something with a hydrostatic drive. (kubota seems to be the only one offering this) and they are not true 4 wheel drive.

Next option would be the Ranger. True 4 wheel drive.
Bed holds half a ton. Can tow a ton.
Very reliable twin cyclinder.Top speed 50 mph. 40 hp.

My choice would be the Ranger XP. :)

Good luck on your search. I like them all....
 
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jcmseven ,

I am a RTV 900 owner, I wouldn't have anything else. There are some great machines out there on the market. But for my applications for work. The Kubota was the only choice. I have not found anything that my RTV cannot do. It is slow compared to other utility vehicles. But strong as a ox, and I do love the engine brakeing systems in them.

I live here in Louisiana, have a good friend lives in the Mississippi hills, and I mean he has some really bad places. I been there with my RTV riding behind him in his kubota, and you would be surprised what these things will do. Now he lives there, and hauls logs & heavy stuff up and down these hills everyday God sends. I have seen him in his Kubota do some " spooky " things. Before, I will say I had some doubts, But now, I can see that the RTV will do everything that you are asking. The RTV don't back down from nothing ... Trust Me !!!
Go on the website:
Compact Tractor Review - Kubota RTV Owners Group
******* and ask the same questions that you asked here, and you will be surprised what you will hear from owners, alot of them live in mountains & hills also.
 
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look at the rtv 1100 it weighs around 2900 lbs. should work well on snow removal.
 
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Yes, these machines are heavy. Do the posters feel that would be a detriment on the long steep inclines I work??? Seems like it would help doing snow removal, but again I do not want something so heavy it cannot safely plow on steep inclines. My Gator has been perfect, but my dad really likes it and I really would like to have something with power steering. As noted I like the Polaris machines also, but they seem like they might not be able to pull quite as much and are not quite as heavy either. I like the power though. A 6x6 Polaris seems nice, but--sounds silly--do not like the way they look personally and again that machine would take up a fair amount of garage space.

John M
 
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The Kubota RTV1100 is not as fast as other machines, probably similar to the machine you have now. Realistically are you going to plow snow or carry a ton of rocks at 45 mph? I guess it is great to say your utv can go 45 mph, but I can tell you I have had my RTV1100 since June and never once have I had an occasion where I needed or wanted to go that fast. My neighbor has a Polaris Ranger, although it is faster than my machine I have no problem keeping up with it, it is just not comfortable going thru the woods or fields much faster than 15 or 20 mph. I do like the composite bed of the Polaris and you can use it as a work machine. However I believe the Ranger is much more suited for serious trail riding and sand pits. Basically, the Ranger is a big 4 wheeler.The Kubota is a serious work machine with trail capability and next to useless in a sand pit. Other than that the RTV1100 comes standard with a quiet, heated and a/c rattle free cab, windshield wiper and hydraulic dump. It will climb just about any hill in medium speed and will climb a wall in low. With the diesel whether you have a ton of rocks in the bed or if it is empty the machine doesn't seem to notice the difference. In 4wd the hydro tranny braking going down steep hills is a major plus.
If you want the utv to trail ride and have fun in a sand pit buy a Polaris, it has the speed and suspension. If you want a machine to work get the RTV.
 
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mikeyd ,

THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID !!!

I AGREE WITH YOU 100 %


The RTV is a TRUE WORKHORSE !!!!!

Like I've told many folks, remember the old story about the race between the rabbit & the turtle !!!
 
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Mikey,

You are right about this. My Gator is rated for 30 mph top speed. I have 28" tires and aftermarket wheels on it which raises the top speed some, to perhaps 35-38 mph. I rarely go that fast. My old HPX at 25 mph was plenty fast to me for what I do. My main issue about the power is that I need something that will not bog on steep inclines. An example of this: I have been working on a rock wall at my house forever (it seems). To keep it looking authentic I obtain my rocks from a road blasting site at the top of our mountain. It is almost 6100' there, my house is at 3700' A lot of the road is paved, but with pitches of 15%--sometimes--20% on the paved part and perhaps steeper in some places. These grades are long and unforgiving. Even my Gator, with 25 hp, will struggle at times pulling my6x12 trailer up the mountain. The gas one I owned was frankly scary doing so. If the Kubota could maintain 8-10 mph up this incline and control the weight on the descent, I would be happy. I hear claims on which machine among the three: Kubota, JD and Polaris has the most drawbar pull for both wheeled and static objects, but I have no susbstantiative proof. Does anyone??? I am not meaning to offend any Polaris owners (heck, I have bought two ATV's of theirs) but the quality and design of the machines seems a little suspect. But, one cannot argue they get the job done. I just cannot see where a machine of less than 1200#, even with 40 hp, could outpull and work a diesel machine with true hydro that weighes double. Am I wrong here???

John M
 

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