Global Dimming

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#21  
I believe we are having a very real impact on the enviroment. Man has only been burning fossil fuels at a considerable volume for the last hundred years or so. I believe this has had a profound effect on the climate of our planet. If you can not see this look at some satellite photographs. We have also been compounding the problem with some very toxic chemicals during this same time frame. This all adds up. You can ignore all the signals and claim it's a cyclical thing if you like. EVERYONE has entitlement to an opinion however misguided.
John
 
   / Global Dimming #22  
<font color="blue"> There was a time when most scientists believed that the earth was flat, too. Or that life could be created from "spontaneous generation". Or that heavier than air flight was impossible. </font>

So, in other words, because of those wrong scientists back when barbers did surgery, that most of the scientists are wrong most of the time?
 
   / Global Dimming #23  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
So, in other words, because of those wrong scientists back when barbers did surgery, that most of the scientists are wrong most of the time? )</font>

The difference is, these days everyone, even scientists, have an agenda. Unfortunately, many of them are not above slanting their research to agree with their political agenda.
 
   / Global Dimming #24  
It's flying in the face of scientific opinion and the available evidence to believe that overpopulation, pollution and excessive fossil fuel consumption haven't played a part in climate change. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has firmly established that global warming is with us. Sure, there are a few scientific dissenters who contend otherwise, almost all of whom are funded by the oil lobby and most of whom have swopped scientific credibility for oil dollars.

Read Lovelock's new book, "The Revenge of Gaia" to see how bad we've made things and how much worse they're likely to get. Grim reading indeed. Lovelock, the father of the Gaia movement, was the scientist who originally formulated the Gaia theory which includes the premise that the planet has self regulating mechanisms to control climate. One of these mechanisms is the use of forests to lock up CO2 gases in the form of coal, natural gas and oil, CO2 gases being accepted global warming accelerators.

By cutting down so much of the world's forests and by releasing into the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels quantities of CO2 that it took the planet millenia to lay down, man is removing the very instruments that the planet uses to regulate climate.

Over the next 35 years the world's population is likely to double from around 6 to 12 billion. The additional amount of forests cut down to make farmland to feed twice the population we now have will further incapacitate the earth's ability to stage a recovery. In addition, many of those in developing countries who currently don't use much fossil fuel or add to pollution will have lifestyle expectations matching our own. China, for example, has recently become the second biggest oil consumers on the planet behind the USA. With almost 4X the population of the USA, if they consume at the rate that the USA does, there simply won't be enough oil to go around.

As a point of information, the USA uses 25% of the world's oil for 3% of it's population, a situation that is simply not sustainable. Conservation measures are going to have to be taken by everyone whether we like it or not and alternative fuel sources need to be found.

The sooner we face up to our responsibilities and try to undo some of the damage, or at least make sure we don't continue to make matters worse, the better chance we have that we can still leave some sort of planetary legacy that can reasonably support our descendants.
 
   / Global Dimming #25  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As a point of information, the USA uses 25% of the world's oil for 3% of it's population, a situation that is simply not sustainable. )</font>

Sir,

I would like to learn where you come up with this information.

Common sense tells me that this isn't an honest statement, and in fact, it's one that borders on the rediculous to support a point of view.

When one part of an argument is obviously false, it's very hard to support the rest of it.

Eddie
 
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#26  
I can believe that statistic. I've read it a different way in the WSJ. They stated that the US is the #1 consumer of oil in the world followed by China at #2. The US uses 300X more oil than China. That stat really shocked me.

John
 
   / Global Dimming #27  
inveresk,

It was brought to my attention through private email that you are indeed correct in your statements and that I responded without knowing the facts. I apologize.

From what I've learned online, the US does in fact use 25 percent of the worlds oil.

Sorry,
Eddie
 
   / Global Dimming #30  
The article on Greenhouse Myth came from a web site called Junkscience. Here is an assessment of the scientific merits of this site from the Center for Media and Democracy. It's further down the article, beginnining The Trashman Speweth . . .

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