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[dave1949]

My electricity by the way costs 8 cents per kW-hr. The ash spill cleanup costs will likely be passed on to TVA customers. Most people around here were/are not overly concerned about the ash spill.

Thanks for that info Piller. My electric is about 16 cents per kW-hr. I am glad the spill is not stressing people. I think when anything gets impounded, there is always a chance it gets away. Nothing is perfect, although we hope some things come darn close to it. People here don't like the idea of turbines on hilltops either.
Dave.

 

[dcyrilc]

It's interesting. From reading all these posts, I believe that the two of you (dave1949 & FallbrookFarmer) are at slightly opposite ends of the middle and yet are not really all that far apart in your beliefs. It leaves me wondering what comments from real extremists would look like...probably not as entertaining. I think you guys are having too much fun with this thread. As for myself, I vary between both of you on different parts of various issues. I also feel the need to commend both of you on the energy you have spent to look up and document the things you have posted. This thread has been both educational and enlightening for me. :thumbsup:

And on that note...it's time for bed.

 

[keegs]

Coming up the driveway to our Maine house I have a view of the Mars Hill wind farm. I think it looks great... warms the heart .... Judging by the lawn signs, apparently allot of folks feel differently though.

We're going to need all the alternatives and some of the legacy sources as well boys. And the cities are going to need large scale production.

The easiest and most effective thing to do is to consume less. Button up the house, drive a more fuel efficient car (nothing beats 45mpg), turn off the lights...and put the money you save in a mutal fund......or a bank...a local bank...a secure local bank.. preferably a credit union..

We can't leave the kids and grand kids drowing in a pile of debt on an unlivable planet. Get rid of cable news... by a newspaper...put up the antenna again....

 

[Loren49]

FallbrockFarmer,
I don't feel that Wikipedia was a pretty middle of the road source. I did google France etc. but did not come up with a clear description of their method. Not sure cherry picking is a fair accusation.
No answer on the Constitution dilemma. Looks like there is a possibility of major changes if the people desire.

My 2 cents on power. Home usage of power is rated in KWH. (Kilowatt Hours) It takes 1 kwh to power a 1000 watt light bulb for an hour (or a 100 watt light bulb for 10 hours) An 80 watt solar panel producing the rated amount for 10 hours would produce 800 watt hours or .8 kwh. We don't pay for watts or kilo watts or mega watts but for these things over a period of time. (watt hours, kwh, or mega watt hours) Not sure if this clarifies things or confuses??? Watts per hour doesn't make sense though I've seen it used many times.

Loren

 

[dave1949]

Coming up the driveway to our Maine house I have a view of the Mars Hill wind farm. I think it looks great... warms the heart .... Judging by the lawn signs, apparently allot of folks feel differently though.

That's a good question to ask yourself, would it bother you to see a turbine or ten on a ridgetop near your home? I have such a ridgetop that is very visible from the yard, about 1 to 1/1/2 miles away. It makes a nice visual backdrop, so I try to picture it with turbines. I don't think it would really bother me much more than the power lines coming up the driveway. If I was close enough to hear the noises described by some, I am sure that would drive me nuts.
Dave.

 

[dave1949]

My 2 cents on power. Home usage of power is rated in KWH. (Kilowatt Hours) It takes 1 kwh to power a 1000 watt light bulb for an hour (or a 100 watt light bulb for 10 hours) An 80 watt solar panel producing the rated amount for 10 hours would produce 800 watt hours or .8 kwh. We don't pay for watts or kilo watts or mega watts but for these things over a period of time. (watt hours, kwh, or mega watt hours) Not sure if this clarifies things or confuses??? Watts per hour doesn't make sense though I've seen it used many times.

Loren

Watts or Kwatts per hour makes sense in that they are sold and priced that way to consumers. Appliances are rated in watts per hour of consumption also. A coffee maker rated at 900 watts has to be on for one hour to use those 900 watts.

For your home power, just like the utility power plant, the only value that matters is the instantaneous production of watts vs your usage in that same instant. (ignoring the details of batteries, charge controllers, inverter loss, etc.)
Dave.

 

[Loren49]

Good morning Dave,
The 900 watt coffee maker takes 900 watts to operate. At 120 volts it would use 7.5 amperes when operated. Watts = volts X amps so watts/volts =amps. Actually watts per hour means watts/hours. The term kwh means kilo watts x the number of hours. (I believe mph means miles/hours: ex. 600 miles in 10 hours = 600/10 or 60 mph) For kwh ex 900 watt coffee maker used for 24 hours straight; 900 watts x 24 hrs = 21600 watt hrs or 21.6 kwh.

I believe that appliances are rated in watts, not watts/hours. The terms 900 watts per minute or second or day also are a problem. If the product works for 15 minutes is power consumption would be 900 watts x .25 hrs = 225 watt hrs or .225 kwh. Another example is the rating of the wind farm in my area is 300 megawatts. Its actual power output is billed in kwh or megawatt hrs.

My wife and I wrote a couple articles for a sailing magazine a few years ago and though they weren't dealing with electricity the guidelines of the editor made it clear that if something was submitted and described powers as watts per hour that he wasn't interested.

Realized that this may seem like babble so here is what wikepedia has to say:
Watt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Confusion of watts, watt-hours, and watts per hour

Power and energy are frequently confused. Power is the rate at which energy is generated and consumed.
For example, when a light bulb with a power rating of 100W is turned on for one hour, the energy used is 100 watt-hours (Wｷh), 0.1 kilowatt-hour, or 360 kJ. This same amount of energy would light a 40-watt bulb for 2.5 hours, or a 50-watt bulb for 2 hours. A power station would be rated in multiples of watts, but its annual energy sales would be in multiples of watt-hours. A kilowatt-hour is the amount of energy equivalent to a steady power of 1 kilowatt running for 1 hour, or 3.6 MJ.
Terms such as watts per hour are often misused.[8] Watts per hour properly refers to the change of power per hour. Watts per hour (W/h) might be useful to characterize the ramp-up behavior of power plants. For example, a power plant that reaches a power output of 1 MW from 0 MW in 15 minutes has a ramp-up rate of 4 MW/h. Hydroelectric power plants have a very high ramp-up rate, which makes them particularly useful in peak load and emergency situations.
Major energy production or consumption is often expressed as terawatt-hours for a given period that is often a calendar year or financial year. One terawatt-hour is equal to a sustained power of approximately 114 megawatts for a period of one year.

I think my point is kwh is a product of watts multiplied by time and this is what we are charged for and watts per hour is division which does not apply to our use.

Does this make any sense?
Loren

 

[keegs]

Yes Loren...:laughing: ...smart metering might help get us off the dime.

 

[turbo36]

Perhaps you haven't heard, The US now funding off shore oil exploration.


He may have had a role
in electing some politician here in the states, whose name escapes me.

Rupert Murdoch?

Oh, wait, that was the last election.

 

[turbo36]

As Harry Reid recently said, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Progressives didn't do any of the things you mentioned.

Mike, Mike, Mike, do you really think you will get a free pass on just saying " no it's not"? Care to back up your statements?