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[texbaylea]

Do not lose sight of one axiom "correlation does not mean causation".

Just because "A" goes up while "B" goes up does not mean that A causes B. It could be the reverse or that neither influences the other.

Vernon

 

[dmccarty]

I will agree with you there. For one thing, if we became independent of foreign hydrocarbons, we might have a more peaceful world (might).

Oil has nothing to do with world peace or lack there of. Super Egos and Super Greed, pretty much the same thing I suppose, cause the lack of peace. Always have and always will until the Super Ego gene is gone.

Napoleon did a good job warring around Europe and oil was not the reason. His Super Ego certainly was a cause. History is full of the big names, Caesar, G. Khan, Alex The Great. But the same Super Ego/Greed gene is present in the people causing problems in the world today. I am afraid it is the human condition.

Later,
Dan

 

[SpringHollow]

After all, the earth flourished very well millions of years ago when CO2 levels were higher.

I have no doubt the earth will flourish. Increased CO2 levels have some benefits. The scientists that mention this are often quoted by people opposing doing anything to reduce CO2 emissions. But what is good for plants etc may not be good for people everywhere. Increased temperatures are good if you are in a place that can benefit from them, bad if you are near a desert. Climate change, regardless of the cause, will change the environment which will benefit some and harm others. This results in social and political pressures which can lead to turmoil.

As i said in this thread almost 200 posts ago, there are many non-climate reasons to conserve energy etc so we should just do it.

Ken

 

[Pilot]

The graphs also missed the "little ice age" which ran roughly from 1300 to 1850. Note the number of graphs you see that conveniently start in 1850, when things started to warm up. Strange, it always warms up when an ice age ends.

During the little ice age, there were massive crop failures all over Europe and North America; it snowed in the northeast in August. Famine occurred repeatedly and was widespread. Maybe warming is better than cooling?

Climate change happens.

Re: CO2 concentrations: Their models have a problem. They predict a lot more CO2 than they actually measure. Part of the problem is that in their models they assume CO2 produced today will last 100-300 years in the atmosphere. But many studies show more like 25 years--there is some variation in research results. So if there is a connection between temps and CO2, their models will predict much higher temps than will actually occur.

Don't trust models until they have been proven to be correct. None of the climate models have been proven; most agree with each other (you don't get funding to build a model that is very different from consensus, they use the same database-there are 3 databases, 2 of which are based on the 3rd, so there is really only one--and they rely pretty much on the same studies--it's that funding thing again). Because the models agree, alarmists say they are right, but Marx, Stalin and Lenin agreed, but that didn't make them right.

 

[Chuck52]

Oil has nothing to do with world peace or lack there of. Super Egos and Super Greed, pretty much the same thing I suppose, cause the lack of peace. Always have and always will until the Super Ego gene is gone.

Napoleon did a good job warring around Europe and oil was not the reason. His Super Ego certainly was a cause. History is full of the big names, Caesar, G. Khan, Alex The Great. But the same Super Ego/Greed gene is present in the people causing problems in the world today. I am afraid it is the human condition.

Later,
Dan

I certainly agree that human nature causes wars, but if a commodity is sufficiently important it will obviously affect human interactions. Access to oil was one of the principal driving forces for Japan to declare war on the US. ****** wasn't looking for sandy beaches when he sent his guys to North Africa. ****** wanted Kuwait's oil fields. Our interest in the middle east is, of course, entirely based on our humanitarian impulses.

Chuck

 

[IH3444]

While reading through those Ice Age Now articles, one scientist was telling about ice samples cored out of a glacier at a depth which represented part of the last ice age. I would have thought all that ice would have long since traveled to the sea, or ocean. Anyway, must have been really deep one. He explained how the core when brought out imediately begins to lose it's CO2 which is trapped in the ice core. He then went on to say that during the last ice age CO2 levels were much higher than now. As much as 7 times higher. He didn't have an answer for that. I'm not cherry picking data, just telling of one finding. They are interesting articles to read. All of them. Thanks to all who posted the links.

 

[SpringHollow]

Another graph proving global warming:

Ken

 

[EddieWalker]

Ken,

There you go, something good to come from global warming!!!

Eddie

 

[Stimw]

While they are collecting "man made data" how are they handling volcanic eruptions? Or the effect that ****** Hussein's oil fires in Kuwait had on everything? When Mt. St. Helens blew it put debris 100K feet into the atmosphere that circled the globe. And other volcanic eruptions since. Smoke from Hussein's fires were also said to circle the globe.
I refer back to the Blind Men and the Elephant.
As for Al Gore the environmentalist- Al Gore's Inconvenient Toxic Waste Dump Who needs big oil when you have toxic waste to profit from and the press to ignore it?

 

[EddieWalker]

Intersting story about the waste dump. It's the fist time I've heard about it. Are there any video's of it on youtube?

I knew that he had a strip mine operation on some land he owns in TN, and the family fortune came from big oil, but a waste dump is almost too much to believe.

Eddie