Global Warming?

[EE_Bota]

Climate change is here — and worse than we thought - The Washington Post

"James E. Hansen directs the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

When I testified before the Senate in the hot summer of 1988 , I warned of the kind of future that climate change would bring to us and our planet. I painted a grim picture of the consequences of steadily increasing temperatures, driven by mankind’s use of fossil fuels.

But I have a confession to make: I was too optimistic.........

In a new analysis of the past six decades of global temperatures, which will be published Monday, my colleagues and I have revealed a stunning increase in the frequency of extremely hot summers, with deeply troubling ramifications for not only our future but also for our present.

This is not a climate model or a prediction but actual observations of weather events and temperatures that have happened. Our analysis shows that it is no longer enough to say that global warming will increase the likelihood of extreme weather and to repeat the caveat that no individual weather event can be directly linked to climate change. To the contrary, our analysis shows that, for the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is virtually no explanation other than climate change.

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I know....another one of these research scientists and their data:confused2:

Loren

I have a confession to make: I resent having our leaders be mislead by the "optimism" or "pessimism" of a hack posing as a scientist.

 

[Tollster]

Don't sweat it, just a normal year according to some!

 

[/pine]

I have a confession to make: I resent having our leaders be mislead by the "optimism" or "pessimism" of a hack posing as a scientist.

Those that are misguided rarely if ever recognize the fact...!

 

[Tollster]

Those that are misguided rarely if ever recognize the fact...!

However, those that do, more often than not become true leaders in the knowledge they seek.

 

[/pine]

However, those that do, more often than not become true leaders in the knowledge they seek.

leaders of what?:laughing: other misguided souls?.. it does not make one iota of a difference how far off the wall (incorrect) that "knowledge" may be...

Misguided "leaders" will always take advantage at every opportunity of the gullible...it's their only hope...!

 

[RobertBrown]

I have a confession to make: I resent having our leaders be mislead by the "optimism" or "pessimism" of a hack posing as a scientist.

A hack?
Really? Wow thanks for letting me know, because i found myself seriously considering his assertions.
Forget climate change and forget our role in it. This guy has credentials. How is it you you've come to decide he's a hack? Because you don't like what he said or because he changed is position or what? Are you more qualified then he to make these assessments?
What is your experience in studying the climate and atmosphere? Who should I believe?
According to Wikipedia

Hansen was born in Denison, Iowa. He was trained in physics and astronomy in the space science program of James Van Allen at the University of Iowa. He obtained a B.A. in Physics and Mathematics with highest distinction in 1963, an M.S. in Astronomy in 1965 and a Ph.D. in Physics, in 1967, all three degrees from the University of Iowa. He participated in the NASA graduate traineeship from 1962 to 1966 and, at the same time, between 1965 and 1966, he was a visiting student at the Institute of Astrophysics at the University of Kyoto and in the Department of Astronomy at the University of Tokyo. Hansen then began work at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in 1967.[SUP][2][/SUP]

Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup:

 

[EE_Bota]

A hack?
Really? Wow thanks for letting me know, because i found myself seriously considering his assertions.
Forget climate change and forget our role in it. This guy has credentials.

Well then you have a confession to make too then don't you: you think science should be influenced by the scientists "optimism." What if the guy is on drugs? What if he has an agenda, which "optimism" and "pessimism" suggests. What if his wife has him sleeping in the dog house? What if he hates his boss but loves his mistress?

To me, having to admit he is wrong is an eye opener, but it happens, and I suppose there is some honor in the admission, but it should raise flags...like how certain did he maintain he was about his testimony at the time? But to get cutesy and say he was "too optimistic" implying that he was actually even MORE right than he stated just strains all credibility with me. You are free to think otherwise, but in a time where consensus it being touted as a part of science, I am starting to want to draw the line at "optimism" and/ or "pain due to hemorrhoids."

 

[mostly_gas]

James Hanson is with NASA is he not? And if I reccall correctly NASA has had problems with data such as Arctic ice amounts, and misstated which years are the hottest etc. I wonder if made the mistake of believing the NASA data?

 

[RobertBrown]

Well then you have a confession to make too then don't you: you think science should be influenced by the scientists "optimism." What if the guy is on drugs? What if he has an agenda, which "optimism" and "pessimism" suggests. What if his wife has him sleeping in the dog house? What if he hates his boss but loves his mistress?

To me, having to admit he is wrong is an eye opener, but it happens, and I suppose there is some honor in the admission, but it should raise flags...like how certain did he maintain he was about his testimony at the time? But to get cutesy and say he was "too optimistic" implying that he was actually even MORE right than he stated just strains all credibility with me. You are free to think otherwise, but in a time where consensus it being touted as a part of science, I am starting to want to draw the line at "optimism" and/ or "pain due to hemorrhoids."

Oh ok, I get it now.
Thanks for clearing that up:thumbsup:

 

[Egon]

So? How would that impact a thing I said?

Implied factors.:thumbsup: