Really?
Then explain this to me, why would you think that I would be "wondering" about your opinion of my intellect?
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Really?
Then explain this to me, why would you think that I would be "wondering" about your opinion of my intellect?
crash325
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I've been trying to figure out if he does not read things or just can't comprehend what he reads. Mostly if it does not fit his narrow agenda, it can't possible count or be any good.
In 2009 we had a mico burst that almost destroyed this mobile home. It had to be moved over 14" and then pulled up square.
Using lumber (90%) from a building that blew down in the same storm an EXO-Skeliton was built around it. It is now better than when it was new.
Wonder how much pollution was not made, over building a new home or a new mobile home.
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Mobile homes are not made as strong as the home I built here using 2x6"- 16". I've seen mobile homes that have deteriorated, the framing is 2x4 -24 o/c with the roof trussed at a pitch of 4/12 using 2x4 lumber.
When the wind blows and we've seen 50 mph gusts (the house is rated much higher), it doesn't make a sound. The roof is a 40# snow load, actually more, and the roof insulation factor is over R60. What happened to your mobile home would very likely not have affected mine.
Also that mobile home was initially made with stock lumber not salvaged. Is that T-111 on the outside salvaged?
Now let's get back to the wood you burn that you think puts out the same pollution as wood decaying on the ground. Remember that statement?
What you don't like is my constant disproof of statements like that.
And let's not forget that you're using coal to power your house and I'm using PV.
So you tell me who's doing the polluting?
Rob
CowboyRon
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I just watched an episode of south park today. It's very funny and related to this thread. If you have netflix its season 10 episode 2 I believe, and called smug alert. Check it out if you can
crash325
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50 MPH wind are real common around here. 65 MPH not unusual. Been like that almost daily for the past 2 months.
First off it was not my home. It belongs to someone that lives about 400 yards from me. My place held up fine. Didn't even know that the micro burst had hit. 1 mile south of me a metal tractor shed (50+) years old was destroyed and parts never found. Farm also lost several trees about 8' in diameter.
He was actually pretty lucky. Mobile home a 1/2 mile away were completely destroyed. Several power line poles were also snapped off. At my place it picked up and moved a cast iron outdoor stove.
Yes the T-111 was new. Got it at Lowe's, some they had gotten by mistake and were eager to get rid of. Cost was less than 1/2 of their normal price.
You keep harping on my wood stove. And you have only proven that you know nothing about a wood stove. Once warmed up and adjusted there is no visible smoke coming out.
Even the EPA admits that they are carbon neutral.
I know you love to brag about how green you are and no one can meet you high standards. Rest of us are just to stupid to do anything right.
CowboyRon
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SPYDERLK said::confused2: Is it representative of the anti Rob show? []
larry
No, but it shows the danger when everyone starts driving hybrids. I just happened to see it today, and I thought of this thread.
OK guys, I have to get back to work for awhile at least. I'm not concentrating on this new circuit and it's turning to rubble.
No hard feelings, remember we all love our tractors, that goes for Gas and Crash too. Life is too short to get angry...
Best to all,
Rob
No hard feelings, remember we all love our tractors, that goes for Gas and Crash too. Life is too short to get angry...
Best to all,
Rob
Short Game
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See: Fascism
EE_Bota
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EE_Bota
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Hope it works well for you Rob. Give it heck!
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The main thing to remember is American's will use what works, and is affordable. So at this point it's natural gas, and coal for electric power needs. For portable power it is gasoline and diesel. The number of people whom think burning these fuels is a problem that mandates a switch to solar and wind at a cost of as much as 10 or even 50 times the current cost is a non starter and their numbers are plummeting. So for now solar and wind remain cottage industries for the very narrow niche they fill. It is they whom have to prove their technology works, for now people have rejected it soundly.
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Loren49
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Kinda short on facts but good unsubstatiated talking points. Many of these points have been debunked in recent posts...i.e. full costs, rejected soundly???
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Short Game
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I bet most hybrid owners who are also South Park fans got a real kick out of the Smug episode too. Funny stuff.
CowboyRon
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Short Game said:
I couldn't stop laughing, it was almost as good as manbearpig
Dustier
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Or, as Canadian co-author Arne Mooers, at Simon Fraser Univeristy in British Columbia, puts it: "Once the shift occurs, they'll be no going back."
A shift or tipping point is "speculation at this point," Mooers told Postmedia News.
"But it's one of those things where you say: 'Hey, maybe we better find out,' because if it's true, it's pretty serious."
The Nature paper grew out of a 2010 conference that raised plenty of questions about whether humans could trigger a state shift, but few answers on how to recognize and avoid it.
The 22 biologists, ecologists, theoreticians, geologists and paleontologists who produced Thursday's report reviewed past stateshifts the latest being end of the most recent ice age and the remarkable changes humans are driving on the planet.
The climate is warming so fast that the "mean global temperature by 2070 (or possibly a few decades earlier) will be higher than it has been since the human species evolved," they say.
And to support the current population of seven billion people, about 43 per cent of Earth's land surface has been converted to agricultural or urban use. The population is expected to hit nine billion by 2045 and they say current trends suggest that half Earth's land surface will be altered by humans by 2025.
That's "disturbingly close" to a potential global tipping point, Barnosky says in a release issued with the report. The study says tipping points tend to occur when 50 to 90 per cent of smaller ecosystems have been disrupted.
Read more: Earth reaching an environmental 'state shift': Report
A shift or tipping point is "speculation at this point," Mooers told Postmedia News.
"But it's one of those things where you say: 'Hey, maybe we better find out,' because if it's true, it's pretty serious."
The Nature paper grew out of a 2010 conference that raised plenty of questions about whether humans could trigger a state shift, but few answers on how to recognize and avoid it.
The 22 biologists, ecologists, theoreticians, geologists and paleontologists who produced Thursday's report reviewed past stateshifts the latest being end of the most recent ice age and the remarkable changes humans are driving on the planet.
The climate is warming so fast that the "mean global temperature by 2070 (or possibly a few decades earlier) will be higher than it has been since the human species evolved," they say.
And to support the current population of seven billion people, about 43 per cent of Earth's land surface has been converted to agricultural or urban use. The population is expected to hit nine billion by 2045 and they say current trends suggest that half Earth's land surface will be altered by humans by 2025.
That's "disturbingly close" to a potential global tipping point, Barnosky says in a release issued with the report. The study says tipping points tend to occur when 50 to 90 per cent of smaller ecosystems have been disrupted.
Read more: Earth reaching an environmental 'state shift': Report
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More of the same, did you read the paper. Not ONE fact links human activity to climate change. Here lays the problem, there is no link. And on top of all that there is no link between climate change and CO2 levels.
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Loren49
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Science:
The Big Picture
The Earth is Warming
We know the planet is warming from surface temperature stations and satellites measuring the temperature of the Earth's surface and lower atmosphere. We also have various tools which have measured the warming of the Earth's oceans. Satellites have measured an energy imbalance at the top of the Earth's atmosphere. Glaciers, sea ice, and ice sheets are all receding. Sea levels are rising. Spring is arriving sooner each year. There's simply no doubt - the planet is warming
The Big Picture
Posted on 24 September 2010 by dana1981
Oftentimes we get bogged down discussing one of the many pieces of evidence behind man-made global warming, and in the process we can't see the forest for the trees. It's important to every so often take a step back and see how all of those trees comprise the forest as a whole. Skeptical Science provides an invaluable resource for examining each individual piece of climate evidence, so let's make use of these individual pieces to see how they form the big picture.
The Earth is Warming
We know the planet is warming from surface temperature stations and satellites measuring the temperature of the Earth's surface and lower atmosphere. We also have various tools which have measured the warming of the Earth's oceans. Satellites have measured an energy imbalance at the top of the Earth's atmosphere. Glaciers, sea ice, and ice sheets are all receding. Sea levels are rising. Spring is arriving sooner each year. There's simply no doubt - the planet is warming (Figure 1).
Figure 1: Indicators of a warming world
Global Warming Continues
And yes, the warming is continuing. The 2000s were hotter than the 1990s, which were hotter than the 1980s, which were hotter than the 1970s. 2010 tied for the hottest year on record. The 12-month running average global temperature broke the record three times in 2010, according to NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) data. Sea levels are still rising, ice is still receding, spring is still coming earlier, there's still a planetary energy imbalance, etc. etc.
Contrary to what some would like us to believe, the planet has not magically stopped warming. Those who argue otherwise are confusing short-term noise with long-term global warming (Figure 2).
Humans are Increasing Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases
The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere - particularly carbon dioxide (CO2) - has been rising steadily over the past 150 years. There are a number of lines of evidence which clearly demonstrate that this increase is due to human activities, primarily burning fossil fuels.
The most direct of evidence involves simple accounting. Humans are currently emitting approximately 30 billion tons of CO2 per year, and the amount in the atmosphere is increasing by about 15 billion tons per year. Our emissions have to go somewhere - half goes into the atmosphere, while the other half is absorbed by the oceans (which is causing another major problem - ocean acidification).
Human Greenhouse Gases are Causing Global Warming
There is overwhelming evidence that humans are the dominant cause of the recent global warming, mainly due to our greenhouse gas emissions. Based on fundamental physics and math, we can quantify the amount of warming human activity is causing, and verify that we're responsible for essentially all of the global warming over the past 3 decades. The aforementioned Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) found a 0.16ｰC per decade warming trend since 1979 after filtering out the short-term noise.
In fact we expect human greenhouse gas emissions to cause more warming than we've thus far seen, due to the thermal inertia of the oceans (the time it takes to heat them). Human aerosol emissions are also offsetting a significant amount of the warming by causing global dimming. Huber and Knutti (2011) found that human greenhouse gas emissions have caused 66% more global warming than has been observed since the 1950s, because the cooling effect of human aerosol emissions have offset about 44% of that warming. They found that overall, human effects are responsible for approximately 100% of the observed global warming over the past 60 years (Figure 5).
Loren
The Big Picture
The Earth is Warming
We know the planet is warming from surface temperature stations and satellites measuring the temperature of the Earth's surface and lower atmosphere. We also have various tools which have measured the warming of the Earth's oceans. Satellites have measured an energy imbalance at the top of the Earth's atmosphere. Glaciers, sea ice, and ice sheets are all receding. Sea levels are rising. Spring is arriving sooner each year. There's simply no doubt - the planet is warming
The Big Picture
Posted on 24 September 2010 by dana1981
Oftentimes we get bogged down discussing one of the many pieces of evidence behind man-made global warming, and in the process we can't see the forest for the trees. It's important to every so often take a step back and see how all of those trees comprise the forest as a whole. Skeptical Science provides an invaluable resource for examining each individual piece of climate evidence, so let's make use of these individual pieces to see how they form the big picture.
The Earth is Warming
We know the planet is warming from surface temperature stations and satellites measuring the temperature of the Earth's surface and lower atmosphere. We also have various tools which have measured the warming of the Earth's oceans. Satellites have measured an energy imbalance at the top of the Earth's atmosphere. Glaciers, sea ice, and ice sheets are all receding. Sea levels are rising. Spring is arriving sooner each year. There's simply no doubt - the planet is warming (Figure 1).
Figure 1: Indicators of a warming world
Global Warming Continues
And yes, the warming is continuing. The 2000s were hotter than the 1990s, which were hotter than the 1980s, which were hotter than the 1970s. 2010 tied for the hottest year on record. The 12-month running average global temperature broke the record three times in 2010, according to NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) data. Sea levels are still rising, ice is still receding, spring is still coming earlier, there's still a planetary energy imbalance, etc. etc.
Contrary to what some would like us to believe, the planet has not magically stopped warming. Those who argue otherwise are confusing short-term noise with long-term global warming (Figure 2).
Humans are Increasing Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases
The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere - particularly carbon dioxide (CO2) - has been rising steadily over the past 150 years. There are a number of lines of evidence which clearly demonstrate that this increase is due to human activities, primarily burning fossil fuels.
The most direct of evidence involves simple accounting. Humans are currently emitting approximately 30 billion tons of CO2 per year, and the amount in the atmosphere is increasing by about 15 billion tons per year. Our emissions have to go somewhere - half goes into the atmosphere, while the other half is absorbed by the oceans (which is causing another major problem - ocean acidification).
Human Greenhouse Gases are Causing Global Warming
There is overwhelming evidence that humans are the dominant cause of the recent global warming, mainly due to our greenhouse gas emissions. Based on fundamental physics and math, we can quantify the amount of warming human activity is causing, and verify that we're responsible for essentially all of the global warming over the past 3 decades. The aforementioned Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) found a 0.16ｰC per decade warming trend since 1979 after filtering out the short-term noise.
In fact we expect human greenhouse gas emissions to cause more warming than we've thus far seen, due to the thermal inertia of the oceans (the time it takes to heat them). Human aerosol emissions are also offsetting a significant amount of the warming by causing global dimming. Huber and Knutti (2011) found that human greenhouse gas emissions have caused 66% more global warming than has been observed since the 1950s, because the cooling effect of human aerosol emissions have offset about 44% of that warming. They found that overall, human effects are responsible for approximately 100% of the observed global warming over the past 60 years (Figure 5).
Loren
Dustier
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Yup! It's just more of the same. Melting glaciers? No problemo. It's just Nature doing its thing.
No! No! It's just like cigarettes - there is no direct link that smoking leads to respiratory diseases like lung cancer et al.
Or maybe it's like fracking and flammable water. No connection at all.
Better yet, escaping lethal gases and nuclear related isotopes have no negative impact on living things.
And genetically modified foods have ever been show to be deleterious to human health.
The ultimate - "Radiation is good for you." - Ann Coulter
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://s18-us2.startpage.com/do/sea...&pid=530da10cd02a7fe6cd1f6203b90fa69a&nossl=1
No! No! It's just like cigarettes - there is no direct link that smoking leads to respiratory diseases like lung cancer et al.
Or maybe it's like fracking and flammable water. No connection at all.
Better yet, escaping lethal gases and nuclear related isotopes have no negative impact on living things.
And genetically modified foods have ever been show to be deleterious to human health.
The ultimate - "Radiation is good for you." - Ann Coulter
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://s18-us2.startpage.com/do/sea...&pid=530da10cd02a7fe6cd1f6203b90fa69a&nossl=1
rsewill
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Dustier said:
Sounds like something Coulter would say. He needs to stay out of the sun.
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