Good battery, crank but no start.

   / Good battery, crank but no start. #21  
I’ve never seen a modern diesel tractor without glow plugs?
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #22  
Once again a no start condition turns out to be a bad ground. Really, when the no starter motor activation condition occurs the first thing to do should be to remove the negative cable from the frame, clean the frame and the cable lug to bright metal, re-attach the ground cable lug, and try starting. Especially if the problem occurs suddenly.
Eric
 
  • Good Post
Reactions: bgr
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #23  
I may have missed a piece of this but, if it is now turning over, and if it starts and runs with starter fluid or WD 40, but won't continue to run, it sounds like a fuel supply issue. Could be water, a plugged filter, a failed pump, a failed shut-off mechanism (unknown if that's a manual fuel shut-off or a solenoid).
Service manuals are apparently available: Long 350 Tractor - Service Manual
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #25  
I have a similar tractor to yours, mine is a 1975 model. If you have a lever type start switch, the glow plug is activated by turning it clockwise. You can also start the engine, without the glow plug, by turning the switch anti clockwise.
 
  • Good Post
Reactions: bgr
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #26  
In my 80 plus years I never have seen a diesel that would not start at 40 to 50 degrees unless the starter was turning too slow or the fuel injection was messed up or the air filter was plugged. From the sound in the second video I think you still have electral problems with the starter. Maybe not enough voltage at the starter from bad connections. Clean all them from the starter to the battery including the starter to the engine. You may have the starter starting to drag. Maybe a new starter if problem continue.
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #27  
I’ve never seen a modern diesel tractor without glow plugs?
There are many diesel engines built today that have no glow-plugs, JD 2.9L/179 cid, 4.5L/276 cid & 6.8L/414 cid are prime examples. These engine are used in many JD tractors currently being manufactured today.
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start.
  • Thread Starter
#28  
Was able to get the starter off and bench (ground) test it:

Bench test

Any thoughts on the state of the starter?
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #29  
Does not look like it ever turns. The solenoid kicks the gear out into flywheel but nothing you did turned the starter motor. Not gonna start without some motion but you may not have applied enough power with that connection.
Plug the hot to the solenoid then use a smaller jumper to energize the solenoid to see if the contacts make a solid connection and actually turn the motor. If the motor does not turn time to see why (corrosion, bearing or ?) or replace.
 
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #30  
In video when positive battery jump cable was attached to large post that's connected to field coils on starter frame if appears that field coils, armature &/or brushes are faulty due to no rotation of armature.

When bench testing a starter one needs to attach ground cable to starter frame as shown in video then attach positive cable to large post on solenoid that larger tractor battery cable was attached to. Then using a screwdriver short across large post & smaller post on solenoid normally marked with an "S". In lieu of screwdriver one can use a "remote start switch" if available.
 
Last edited:
   / Good battery, crank but no start. #33  
That's a nice-looking heavy-duty starter like the one for my IH3444. It stopped working, so I disassembled it. Cleaned it all up, refinished the brush contact surfaces (commutator) with sandpaper by chucking the armature shaft into a 1/2" drill chuck. Drill was clamped into a bench vice. Refinished the commutator surface bar by smoothing out the slightly rutted, worn copper surface with sandpaper placed over a flat file and spinning the drill motor slowly. Cleaned all bearing surfaces and regreased with Pennzoil Marine water repellant grease. Flipped over the solenoid contact points 180 degrees so new surfaces would make contact with fresh refinished surfaces. Installed new brushed that I matched up at the NAPA dealer in town. Had to do some slight modifications with a file to get them to fit back into their slots. Reassembled, and reinstalled in tractor. Works like new. Should be good for another 40 years.
1767546222088.png
 

Marketplace Items

18ft T/A Flatbed Trailer (A59231)
18ft T/A Flatbed...
2008 V.E. ENTERPRISES 130BBL VAC TRAILER (A58214)
2008 V.E...
2021 CATERPILLAR 299D3 SKID STEER (A60429)
2021 CATERPILLAR...
2019 KUBOTA SVL75-2 SKID STEER (A60429)
2019 KUBOTA...
2009 CHEVROLET C8500 CREW CAB FLATBED TRUCK (A59823)
2009 CHEVROLET...
2020 GMC AT4 CREW CAB TRUCK (A60430)
2020 GMC AT4 CREW...
 
Top