Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce

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   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #81  
Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Mark, maybe it's just that most of us do have "conventional" tractors and don't know much, if anything, about some of the other brands./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif We're waitin' on you to tell us how it works out after you've used it awhile.

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   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #82  
Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Mark, I think your wrong about many not being interested. We're lurking, not yaking. Please don't shortchange us. Your expertise with "enhanceing" and obvious in-depth investigation of what's available and what's possible sets the standard.

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Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Bird - There's a lot in what you say. There's a lot more similarities than differences, though. So people may assume they don't know anything or that there's little of interest because of the differences, but most of the differences are just a matter of scale. For that matter, that's why those of us who own(-ed, in my case) orange watch with interest the exploits of those who are color challenged. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif I can say that now that, since my EarthForce will be white, I'm totally colorless... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

MarkC
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Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Ok, RCH, I'll take your word for it, especially when you put it so kindly. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I think that sometimes my comments come across as sounding like I think I know more about the subject at hand than anybody else, but I don't mean it that way at all. I'm just having fun. But, what you said ist true - I tend to over-investigate everything ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I've asked a bunch of questions lately about various things, though, and I've gotten some really good answers and leads, most of which I'm still following up on. A bunch of them even came in via private e-mail, which always amazes me, because then I'm the only one who knows they were looking for information for me, or that they already knew it. Anyway, what a great bunch! As for my pessimism earlier, thanks for the kind words, and don't mind me - I've been in a foul mood ever since shipment of my EF-5 got delayed... /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

MarkC
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Rat - Yeah, I guess it's a little tricky - coexisting with so many different interests, backgrounds, equipment levels, usage requirements, etc. Yet, on the whole, we do pretty well. I mean, if you think about it, we have the whole gamut of equipment owner here - so it's pretty amazing that there's such a spirit of helpfullness and comerarderie here.

MarkC
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   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #86  
Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

The comments made about being others not being interested is understandable. Mark just doesnt understand himself. Some of us cheerfully laugh inside as to the depths he'll go to modify and change while others are looking at and thinking, what is he talking about using a square link, grade 100, auto tensioning, CUT, 6N1, solenoid activated, 2.25" pistons, 19.5" with a roll radius laging or leading the front, regenerative circuit, rare earth beverage containment device, EGT, dual levitation self inducing double inclination double coil dual arm in pure genuine vinyl seat, etc. etc. Most of us who know you have more of a reason to visit "other" now. At the very least, for me, its always good for some cheer, Rat...
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #87  
Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Mark. I personally cant afford an EarthForce, YET! I have an interest in almost any machine that digs, pushes, lifts, maybe even moves. What I really like is RESEARCH!!! To me there are two kinds, Thinking, and Doing, I love them both. I dont have nearly enough time for either. I am glad that you are around to help me with the thinking and the testing! Bob
 
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Re: What a long, strange trip it\'s been...

Bob - I understand exactly what you're saying. I remember my first Kubota - it was the smallest L series they had at the time with the GST tranny. I was absolutely enthralled with it. Even though I had used a bunch of different kinds of tractors, bulldozers, etc. ever since I was a kid, I think it was that tractor that I caught the "equipment bug" from. I think it was the fact that it would do so much more than its size indicated. Of course, I quickly "upsized", then again, and again, and now, I've switched brands and even types of equipment. But every one of them is for doing the same jobs, just on a different scale. I got the Bradco 609 backhoe for the L3710GST, then moved it to the L4310HST, so there's a lot less difference between them and the EarthForce than there appears to be.

Of course, on the other hand, making the jump from the Kubota and the EarthForce was not without a great deal of trepidation, due to a large extent to the transition to a machine without a three point hitch. But, after literally months of research, I decided it was the best thing to suit my purposes. I enjoy research too, but it got to be tedious after a while. I think that's one of the reasons I almost bought a PowerTrac before I thoroughly examined the issue of maneuverability close to buildings, etc. - I was just tired of trying to find what I needed and ready to make a decision.

One thing I haven't mentioned that really impressed me about the EarthForce machines was what I can only call the "professional quality" of it. One of the frustrations I had with the Kubota was trying to get "enhancements" to work the way I thought made sense. An excellent example of that is the operation of the 4-in-1 bucket. If you ever read much of the "L4310 enhancements" thread (you deserve a medal! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif), you'll remember that I spent a tremendous amount of time getting an electric solenoid valve to open and close the jaws when you moved the rollback and dump valve the right way. Even then, after it was "as good as it could get", I was watching a guy run a big JCB 4-in-1 one day, and he was literally a "master of the machine". I just stood and watched him for 15 minutes or so, in awe of the way he was using the 4-in-1, and wishing I could handle mine that way. It had nothing to do with the size, lift capacity, etc. - it was just pure technique. Finally, when he took a break, I said: "Would you mind getting on my Kubota and showing me how to use the 4-in-1 like that?" So, he hopped up on my tractor, asked me how it worked, then started moving it using it a little. After a few minutes of playing with it, he shut the tractor off and said "There's a reason you can't use your 4-in-1 like I use mine: It can't be done." And that was that. Then he said "Let's go about from the other direction - you try the controls on my tractor." And you know what? I couldn't do the things with it that he could, but I could tell that, with a little practice, I'd be able to. When I climbed up on that EarthForce machine and saw that the 4-in-1 controls worked just like the ones on that JCB, I was almost sold right then and there. When I found out how reasonable the price was, compared to other things in its class, and all the other things I've mentioned in the previous posts, that was just icing on the cake.

MarkC
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   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #89  
Ahhh... I think you are finally seeing the light!!

I think you are begining to understand!! If you want a backhoe,buy a backhoe! If you want a industrial loader with a real 4in1 bucket,then buy one!! You'll save yourself mouy $$$ aggrivaation and possible injury among other things,by buying something that was designed to do it from the begining,instead of trying to make something else do it!! Not everything is tweakable or should be tweaked no matter what Tim the Toolman Taylor thinks!!
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, hello EarthForce #90  
Re: Ahhh... I think you are finally seeing the light!!

Sounds like some old sayings

You can too make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, or

For every job there is the proper tool
It is a hammer





Charlie Iliff
 
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