Grain farmers chime in! Advice?

   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #41  
For me, the grain is purely supplemental income so others may be more help, but what I have...


A home made 200g 60' boom sprayer

A great plains 1006nt drill

Cousin has a belt spreader that I borrow when needed, I only own a 1200lb capacity 3pt pendular spreader.
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #42  
I hire out my combine work at $35/acre, because unlike the poster that said a decent combine was $3k, I've found that decent used combines start at $50k, and tend to run closer to $80k for a decent used one.

He said a combine for less than 500 acres , A NH TR85 or IH 1460 would manage that and good ones often go for $3000 . Both my combines dont add up to $60'000 and we do 2000 odd acres a year 3-400 of that is custom . Neighbours do 10'000 acres with 3 x 5-10 year old combines, neighbour the other side does 3000 acres with 2 JD 7720's and a MF 760 .
I saw many beautiful Case IH 1688's with low hours go for less than $35'000 this summer which would do 1500 acres.

1982 NEW HOLLAND TR85 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com

1982 GLEANER N5 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com

1981 INTERNATIONAL 1460 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #43  
I must respectfully disagree. I have a few neighbors running 25 year old combines. Their annual repair bill is usually as high (and sometimes much higher) than what I pay to have it done.

The time issue is a valid point with custom harvest. Last year I missed the planting window for winter wheat waiting on a combine to harvest my beans. Had to plant beans 3 years in a row (was planning on two), and I knew I was flirting with disaster last year.
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #44  
Places where notill has some problems, hmm, where you have cold wet soils with lot of residue from heavy crop yields, and you have cold springs, no-till causes the ground to be slower to warm up. The residue insulates the soil from the suns rays, north facing slopes are worse obviously.

If you have really wet soils, tillage can speed the drying process in the spring but thats kind of a poor argument as if its that wet, you shouldn't be driving all over compacting your soil. A better investment is generally tile in wet ground.

There are certain crops you can't no-till, like potatoes, but there isn't much money in them right now. No till also shifts weed, disease and pest managment for a given area. It stops rotating old seeds up from the soil but other types of weeds can become established. Corn on corn can be harder to manage, mild winters can lets pests overwinter in residue.

In the really cold wet areas, strip till, a type off minimum tillage operation is becoming popular but can require a large tractor to pull the row units. It tills alternating strips that you plant into. Gives you some benefits of no till on cold soils. Still has some drawbacks like no till.

Full tillage has narrower profit margins and more input making it riskier for most startups. I've been looking over what to do with my fields that need to rotate out of hay for a while. Alfalfa isn't popular up here, difficult to dry down in the summer.
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #45  
Depends where you are, the combines you mention bring 10-20,000$ out here if you can find one. Then try to find another head for it since it will only have a grain platform.

He said a combine for less than 500 acres , A NH TR85 or IH 1460 would manage that and good ones often go for $3000 . Both my combines dont add up to $60'000 and we do 2000 odd acres a year 3-400 of that is custom . Neighbours do 10'000 acres with 3 x 5-10 year old combines, neighbour the other side does 3000 acres with 2 JD 7720's and a MF 760 .
I saw many beautiful Case IH 1688's with low hours go for less than $35'000 this summer which would do 1500 acres.

1982 NEW HOLLAND TR85 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com

1982 GLEANER N5 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com

1981 INTERNATIONAL 1460 Harvesters - Combines For Auction At TractorHouse.com
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #46  
You must have very unique farmers in your area .Any one i know, Myself included will never do anyone elses combining until our own is done . We did a lot of custom in good weather this year as it was a freakishly long dry fall but usually the guys who wait for custom get a lot of grain loss or spoil.And usually were getting calls close to snowfall as they have been let down .
Why pay all that custom every year when you could buy a good small combine for $3000 .
If we used custom it would cost at least $40'000 a year , Makes our combines look cheap.
Spraying too ...the ability to go at a minutes notice in a small weather window is priceless, we use custom sprayers occasionally but always a better job to do it yourself and time it right if possible .

Begin in Manitoba you probably have a shorter growing/harvest season. Most guys around me are done early and would have more than enough time to get a small custom job done. You are correct that there would be alot of loss if you waited too long. Like another poster I don't necessarily think there are many good combines around with heads for $3,000. In my experience the least you could get by with as a total for combine and heads for corn and beans would be $25,000 and that is probably pushing it. You still have to add in Maintenance/repairs and fuel. It may be easier to buy your own than have some custom work done, but there is no harm in investigating if a close neighbor would be willing to do it.

Here in Eastern SD we have guys that do conventional till, strip till, and no till. It depends on soil type/location, erosion potential, harvest window, soil moisture in the fall. All types have their time and place and there is no set answer.
 
   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #47  
I'm not a farmer so I can't give you that advice but I am a business and finance guy and I can make some suggestions from that perspective.

Farming is a business and therefore you need to apply the same principles to farming as owning a hamburger stand, ( name the business). You need a Plan and you need some level of experience. As a couple of guys have suggested, you should gain as much experience working for someone else first. You won't be taking financial risks while learning the business. You will gain a better perspective on what the real costs of doing business are, how to avoid certain situations, how to price and market your products, when and how to change production, when to hire out and when to do it yourself. During this work experience, make lots of notes, ask more questions and continue to work on your own business plan.

While it takes lots of determination and drive to do this successfully, it takes a plan so never forget that.

Best wishes.
 
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#48  
I really appreciate the advice everyone. It gives me a lot of info to research!
 
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#49  
On a side note, I figured you guys might enjoy seein a couple pics of my little projects. I made the splitting stands and I'm pretty sure this'll be the new color.

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   / Grain farmers chime in! Advice? #50  
Its about time you chimed in Bill :) I hope all is well down your way.

All is about as well as can be expected under the circumstances....

I did get a very beautiful Christmas card a few days ago. My how she is growing!

Enjoy every second...They grow up way too fast.
 

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