Grand L6060 Cab...

wmonroe · Jun 21, 2013

Add me to the list of would like to have one but can't justify it. Congrats on the new tractor, I'm sure it will serve your purposes very well.

Piston · Jun 21, 2013

That is one HECK OF A TRACTOR! Congratulations. Can't wait to see pics, your obligated by the way

Mx113 · Jun 22, 2013

It's probably a very good thing that you purchased that tractor now. At the pace that you went from a 53hp tractor to an 86 hp tractor, you would have had a dual rear wheel row cropper by July.

Matt in Virginia · Jun 23, 2013

Gentlemen,
Pictures will be forthcoming. It may take a while as 6105 M & R production is behind schedule in Germany. My dealer is trying to get in on an existing build to beat the current Mid-September estimate.

I would like to thank everyone for the constructive comments that have been offered. I suppose we all come from different backgrounds with different experiences and ultimately needs. I would also like to thank Piston and ovrszd, amongst others, for questioning the formula of tractor to acreage assumption.

In closing it never struck me as odd that we did not have smaller "big" tractors on the farm. You had the highest horse two wheel drive tractor(until the 4850) and a 60 HP tractor to run the drain digger. My father actually welded a category 3 hitch to an 8 foot box scraper to keep up the drive way. Nor did it strike me as odd keeping the driveway up with a 20,000 pound 190 hp Front Wheel Assist Tractor with 30 inch wide rear tires. I failed to see the point in a 4050 at the time and I still do... One tractor will do what the other will do BUT NOT vice versa...

Mx113,
I actually had concluded in 2010 or early 2011 that a 6330 Premium would be ideal, however, I had two deaths in the family(My father at 66 and my older brother at 45) that completely put ALL of this stuff on the back burner. I then regrouped and tried to find a smaller less invasive answer to what I thought I needed. When you see how close you are financially between a CUT and a real tractor it becomes, for some of us, a more difficult choice to make...

I'll never go duals again short of farming and I don't have the desire for the worry that depending on the weather and commodities pricing leads to... I'll never forget my time in the 4840 & 4850 when we were farming row crop, however, as a young teenager I had the best of both worlds. I was farming without having to worry about paying the tab for the ride.

Though your comment is timely as I'm seriously wondering about going to the John Deere 6115 M to up my PTO HP to 95. This would match my 4020 Diesel almost exactly while adding Front Wheel Assist which is yet another performance booster.

Regards, Matt.

Btw, I can't believe I mentioned 6.0 liters on the 4020 404 Cubic Inch Diesel. It is 6.6 Liters. This is a kick in the pants as my first truck, a clean 69' Step Side, had a fully built 4 bolt main 400 Small Block, which bored .030" led to 406 Cubic Inches and 6.6 liters. How soon we forget...;-)

MHarryE · Jun 24, 2013

Matt in Virginia said:
Gentlemen,
Pictures will be forthcoming. It may take a while as 6105 M & R production is behind schedule in Germany. My dealer is trying to get in on an existing build to beat the current Mid-September estimate.

I would like to thank everyone for the constructive comments that have been offered. I suppose we all come from different backgrounds with different experiences and ultimately needs. I would also like to thank Piston and ovrszd, amongst others, for questioning the formula of tractor to acreage assumption.

In closing it never struck me as odd that we did not have smaller "big" tractors on the farm. You had the highest horse two wheel drive tractor(until the 4850) and a 60 HP tractor to run the drain digger. My father actually welded a category 3 hitch to an 8 foot box scraper to keep up the drive way. Nor did it strike me as odd keeping the driveway up with a 20,000 pound 190 hp Front Wheel Assist Tractor with 30 inch wide rear tires. I failed to see the point in a 4050 at the time and I still do... One tractor will do what the other will do BUT NOT vice versa...

Mx113,
I actually had concluded in 2010 or early 2011 that a 6330 Premium would be ideal, however, I had two deaths in the family(My father at 66 and my older brother at 45) that completely put ALL of this stuff on the back burner. I then regrouped and tried to find a smaller less invasive answer to what I thought I needed. When you see how close you are financially between a CUT and a real tractor it becomes, for some of us, a more difficult choice to make...

I'll never go duals again short of farming and I don't have the desire for the worry that depending on the weather and commodities pricing leads to... I'll never forget my time in the 4840 & 4850 when we were farming row crop, however, as a young teenager I had the best of both worlds. I was farming without having to worry about paying the tab for the ride.

Though your comment is timely as I'm seriously wondering about going to the John Deere 6115 M to up my PTO HP to 95. This would match my 4020 Diesel almost exactly while adding Front Wheel Assist which is yet another performance booster.

Regards, Matt.

Btw, I can't believe I mentioned 6.0 liters on the 4020 404 Cubic Inch Diesel. It is 6.6 Liters. This is a kick in the pants as my first truck, a clean 69' Step Side, had a fully built 4 bolt main 400 Small Block, which bored .030" led to 406 Cubic Inches and 6.6 liters. How soon we forget...;-)

I had a 6105 M quoted but although the dealer came a long way off of list, I still felt it was too high so I went another color. Two weeks later I got the ad from Deere saying they would throw in a loader at no extra cost if I bought before July 31. That would have put it in the ballpark but the result is we have an even mixture - 2 green, 2 blue, and 2 orange. I feel certain the 6105 more than match the 4020. Everybody is getting more out of smaller engines. Pump in more oxygen, break up and distribute the fuel better making use of all the oxygen, and reduced losses due to reduced friction from fewer pistons. The same JD flyer advertising the loader deal also said to look for the 3 cylinder engines to be introduced in the new 5 series.

Matt in Virginia · Jun 24, 2013

MHarryE said:
I had a 6105 M quoted but although the dealer came a long way off of list, I still felt it was too high so I went another color. Two weeks later I got the ad from Deere saying they would throw in a loader at no extra cost if I bought before July 31. That would have put it in the ballpark but the result is we have an even mixture - 2 green, 2 blue, and 2 orange. I feel certain the 6105 more than match the 4020. Everybody is getting more out of smaller engines. Pump in more oxygen, break up and distribute the fuel better making use of all the oxygen, and reduced losses due to reduced friction from fewer pistons. The same JD flyer advertising the loader deal also said to look for the 3 cylinder engines to be introduced in the new 5 series.

Harry,
As far as I know the free loader deal is for the D series only. I was discussing the tractor this afternoon with my dealer. They are having a hard time moving the 6105 Ds for a number of reasons and hence 5 years with 0% interest AND a free loader. Albeit a light loader. Believe it was comparable to a 573. I'm going with an H310 or H340. At any rate the 6105 M and R only have 3 years at 0% interest. No free loader. Matter of fact NOTHING FREE on the 6M or 6R. To put it into perspective it would be akin to ordering a Cheeseburger and finding the bun, lettuce, pickels, tomato, mayo, etc. all came extra. You didn't want that heated up did you?...

You are probably right about the 6105 M being more than match for the 4020 but I do wonder on torque. I idled into a pile of vegetation and hard packed dirt today and filled the bucket even after the front end came 2 feet off the ground and the rear radials continued to push. This at JUST ABOVE an idle. That said this loader is worn out. Further the hydraulics have always been weak on this tractor. Though I've never found another 10,000 pound plus(with ballast) tractor with 95 HP that has the torque on the low end this one has... Granted compared to a new 6105M the 4020 is primitive. I look forward to less maintenance and more time getting the job done...

Regards, Matt.

Matt in Virginia · Jun 24, 2013

MHarryE said:
I feel certain the 6105 more than match the 4020. Everybody is getting more out of smaller engines. Pump in more oxygen, break up and distribute the fuel better making use of all the oxygen, and reduced losses due to reduced friction from fewer pistons. The same JD flyer advertising the loader deal also said to look for the 3 cylinder engines to be introduced in the new 5 series.

Harry,
You lost me on increased friction from more cylinders. I've noted that cummins and cat have not strayed from 14 plus liter INLINE 6 CYLINDERS in their over the road engines running up to 600 HP. How does one get more torque from fewer cylinders?

Where I HAVE seen progress on heavy engines is more efficient fuel management and turbocharger pressures, however, I've yet to see the INLINE 6 changed to the great new INLINE 4 or 5. Granted new engines do make more power, however, the bones are largely the same. I'll not be lining up for an improved 3 cylinder engine.

Respectfully, Matt.

MHarryE · Jun 24, 2013

Matt in Virginia said:
Harry,
As far as I know the free loader deal is for the D series only. I was discussing the tractor this afternoon with my dealer. They are having a hard time moving the 6105 Ds for a number of reasons and hence 5 years with 0% interest AND a free loader. Albeit a light loader. Believe it was comparable to a 573. I'm going with an H310 or H340. At any rate the 6105 M and R only have 3 years at 0% interest. No free loader. Matter of fact NOTHING FREE on the 6M or 6R. To put it into perspective it would be akin to ordering a Cheeseburger and finding the bun, lettuce, pickels, tomato, mayo, etc. all came extra. You didn't want that heated up did you?...

You are probably right about the 6105 M being more than match for the 4020 but I do wonder on torque. I idled into a pile of vegetation and hard packed dirt today and filled the bucket even after the front end came 2 feet off the ground and the rear radials continued to push. This at JUST ABOVE an idle. That said this loader is worn out. Further the hydraulics have always been weak on this tractor. Though I've never found another 10,000 pound plus(with ballast) tractor with 95 HP that has the torque on the low end this one has... Granted compared to a new 6105M the 4020 is primitive. I look forward to less maintenance and more time getting the job done...

Regards, Matt.

Nope, got the flier right here. Get a free loader with a new 6M tractor! Loader valued at more than $7,000! Selected models, 6105M, 6115M, 6125M, and 6140M. Offer valid 5/1/13 through 7/31/13. Some restrictions apply so see your dealer for complete details. Valid only at participating US dealers.

That is the same flier advertising the new 5E Series Cab and PowerReverser models 3 cylinder 55 - 75 HP.

You say the 6Ms are hard to come by getting them out of Germany but I wonder if these monthly fliers I keep getting indicate JD is having a problem moving many models, the reason my stock is tanking even though they posted their best quarter ever last quarter. I assumed it was due to the rotten Midwest weather. They make more money from one combine sale than a dozen CUTs.

Matt in Virginia · Jun 25, 2013

Harry,
I would be in your debt if you would fax me a copy of that flier at 757-482-1593. I have to talk with my dealer tomorrow. As far as availability I'm going on what he told me. He's been a straight shooter for some time...

Regards, Matt Garrett.
757-581-6270