Greenhouse effect ???

   / Greenhouse effect ??? #31  
I'm not sure what kind of warming we had, but some kind last month. The newspaper today says January, 2006, was the warmest January ever, breaking an 83 year old record. They say the "average" daily high temperture was 68.3 degrees, while the "normal" is 54. The lack of rain might have had something to do with it. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #32  
As I recall the last time this topic came up, I mentioned that most folks don't have any problem agreeing that man has done a pretty good job polluting just about every major body of water, including the oceans. That said, it then doesn't seem like such a stretch that our activities might be having some effect on the atmosphere, too. I just finished reading Crichton's "State of Fear"....I think that's the title anyway. Not one of his better efforts as fiction, in my opinion, but he makes a pretty strong argument against global warming and man's contribution to the phenomenon in the story. Then, in the appendix, he says he believes in global warming and that man may be contributing, but perhaps not by the mechanism usually presented, i.e. production of "greenhouse gases". Kind of leaves you wondering, but then he's a physician by training, so has no better claim on deep understanding of the issue than any other of us amateurs.

So. What to believe? Darned if I know. On the other hand, if you assume that most of what is proposed to limit our bad effects on the atmosphere also has the direct result of minimizing air pollution, that's a bit easier to get behind.

I support nuclear energy production. It can be done safely, and we can safely store the by products, if folks will agree that "safely" is not an absolute term. Another one of those shades of gray thingies.

Chuck
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #33  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( and we can safely store the by products, )</font>

How can one possibly say this, knowing those by-products can remain a hazard for 100,000 + years?

Nuclear energy has its place, but the cost to future generations is an unknown and should not be taken lightly.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #34  
I think safely means it has to be kept under constant inspection and the storage system has to be maintained.... for the next 100,000 years. Which, given the history of the planet, humans will be long gone by then, wiped out by a viral infection or some bacteria. Bet your money on the cockroach! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #35  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ""How should I spend my time on this earth?"
A.Gore in an interview on his film at Sundance )</font>

That may very well be the most imponderable question of all...the only thing we know for sure is, it isn't as an elected official.
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #36  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The author talked about the mini ice age that effected the northern great plains in the late 1800s, it was very interesting to hear about this, I had no idea that any of this had occurred. )</font>

Interesting. Davenport Ia's TV weather man said last night that 2006 was the 2nd warmest January (avg local temp) on record at 35 degrees. The warmest was 1880 at 37 degrees.
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #37  
I believe it all works in cycles. Science has proven it over and over from what I have seen. You will always have the groups that have diferent evidence but I believe in Mother Nature... She has adapted, alowing us to live here for quite some time.. This isnt the worst it has ever been, history can prove that. The plagues that occured in years past were spread by dirty conditions, we dont have that here.... Maybe a 3rd world country could suffer from one, but I doubt we will in advanced society(living in homes, bathing, eating, cleaning after ourselves, etc...) I dont belive Chicken Little will get us....Just my opinion...... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #38  
<font color="blue"> I don't believe Chicken Little will get us </font>

I believe that something will get us, if we continue to act as if nothing we do can harm the planet that sustains us.

On nuclear waste: I don't think we have much choice but to go ahead with the plan to store it at Yucca Mountain in Nevada beginning in 2010. To me, that's a far safer alternative than what we have now; namely, having it stored at almost every nuclear reactor site in the country. Storing it at a relatively safe, stable, centralized location might buy us enough time to find a better long-term solution for dealing with it.

Meeting a significant portion of our energy needs with wood chips and corn? I don't think so. Let's get to work on conventional, hybrid, breeder, and fusion reactors while we still have time. The first step just might be to get money out of politics, so decisions can be made on their merits, and ideally, according to the will of the majority of the people.


John
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #39  
John,
I agree that we cant be wilfully(?) wastefull and cause dammage without thinking about the future.....

I'll leave it at that, I just deleted about 6 lines that basicly say I think allot of the wory is overreaction.... But forward progress is a good thing, I too agree with the Nuke's....
 
   / Greenhouse effect ??? #40  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How about the hole in the ozone? It seems to have disappeared. Was its filling due to changes we made? Or was it some other event that we don't know a thing about? )</font>


Well, I don't know where you're getting your information, but the ozone hole at both poles is an annual occurrence.

Some facts: The 2005 hole was one of the largest and deepest on record. The chemistry is well known and documented. CFC's do not occur naturally. They are an anthropogenically engineered chemical designed for their thermodynamic effect in air conditioning systems as well as injection into foam products.

When you consider that the residence time of chlorofluorocarbons in the atmosphere is 80-100 years, even though CFC's have been phased out of many products, the effects of past decade's release will continue on for some time to come.

Want to learn more?

Ozone Hole Data
 

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