Greetings from the Hurricane state!
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greg_g
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Ok now you guys have a newbie completely confused! Is this a good deal either way?? )</font>
NewHolland and JohnDeere recently sued Futian and Jinma respectively, for infringing on alleged trademark design and color- respectively. This type legal action is being referred to as a trade-dress suit . When judgment went against the Chinese (and a couple of American distributors), imports of offending Futians - and of green&yellow Jinmas - ground to a rapid halt.
Not enough info to help you with the MTE though. If in fact it's a disguised JM284, one needs only Google for JM284 PRICE to realize they start about $5500. So you have to wonder what Wickers throws in for the extra $1000. Consider that a JM254 is virtually the same tractor (less 3 hp). I bought one for just under $5600.
FWIW, ChinaBest lists crate price (FOB warehouse) for a basic JM284 is $4100. Recommended retail is shown as $6000.
//greg//
NewHolland and JohnDeere recently sued Futian and Jinma respectively, for infringing on alleged trademark design and color- respectively. This type legal action is being referred to as a trade-dress suit . When judgment went against the Chinese (and a couple of American distributors), imports of offending Futians - and of green&yellow Jinmas - ground to a rapid halt.
Not enough info to help you with the MTE though. If in fact it's a disguised JM284, one needs only Google for JM284 PRICE to realize they start about $5500. So you have to wonder what Wickers throws in for the extra $1000. Consider that a JM254 is virtually the same tractor (less 3 hp). I bought one for just under $5600.
FWIW, ChinaBest lists crate price (FOB warehouse) for a basic JM284 is $4100. Recommended retail is shown as $6000.
//greg//
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Hi.. I've been by duggans a few times, and even before he had the store on 27. I think he probably sells decent machines, cause he's been there for a few years now.. if they were total junk I don't think he'd survive. The only thing that gets me is the high pressure sales I encountered... wreaked of 'used car salesman' type stuff. I walked away from a net ford 1700 he had.. 4wd and lots of new/rebuilt parts.. and a song onthe price.. probably was an a-1 unit.. just the sales guy scared me.
He claims to be able to get yanmar parts and filter/maintenance items cheaper than anywhere else.
For your area, also look at caldwel tractors.. they sell used and some new tractors.. they are on 326..
www.caldwelltractors.com
or something like that.
I've bought a couple antiqes from them.. nice people.. though they only do sales.. no parts or service. howeve rthere is a tractor repair shop across the street from them.. ray harris farm equipment. Old tobacco chewing guy.. he's a tad slow, but from what I've seen, he can fix anything, and knows tractors like the back of his hand.. probably better.
Soundguy
He claims to be able to get yanmar parts and filter/maintenance items cheaper than anywhere else.
For your area, also look at caldwel tractors.. they sell used and some new tractors.. they are on 326..
www.caldwelltractors.com
or something like that.
I've bought a couple antiqes from them.. nice people.. though they only do sales.. no parts or service. howeve rthere is a tractor repair shop across the street from them.. ray harris farm equipment. Old tobacco chewing guy.. he's a tad slow, but from what I've seen, he can fix anything, and knows tractors like the back of his hand.. probably better.
Soundguy
bluechip
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The China Best price of $4100 is FOB China. They offer a higher price FOB US warehouse, but it is still in a crate with no parts support other than what you order with the tractor or wait for shipment from China at your expense. Then you have to wait for it to come in after paying in advance.
A new Farm Pro 25HP assembled with warranty (parts and labor) starts around $ 6500 today. This MTE seems to be in line pricewise.
A new Farm Pro 25HP assembled with warranty (parts and labor) starts around $ 6500 today. This MTE seems to be in line pricewise.
greg_g
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The China Best price of $4100 is FOB China. )</font>
I stand corrected Chip. The big red
<font color="red"> We promise for at most $6000 you can pick up any of your favorite new tractor at the warehouse nearby you (same state or better, mainland of the states, exclude Hawaii and Alaska, up to 28 hp, customs cleared, duties paid)
</font> distracted me from the comparatively diminuitive "FOB China" heading the crate price column.
That puts the $6500 in a little better perspective, but still doesn't explain why Google can find (allegedly) new JM284s starting at $5500.
//greg//
I stand corrected Chip. The big red
<font color="red"> We promise for at most $6000 you can pick up any of your favorite new tractor at the warehouse nearby you (same state or better, mainland of the states, exclude Hawaii and Alaska, up to 28 hp, customs cleared, duties paid)
</font> distracted me from the comparatively diminuitive "FOB China" heading the crate price column.
That puts the $6500 in a little better perspective, but still doesn't explain why Google can find (allegedly) new JM284s starting at $5500.
//greg//
Ok, my thoughts are becoming a bit more clear on this tractor now. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me guys. I encountered the same thing from Duggan as well. The thing that turned me off is he offer zero warranty on any of the used equipment they sell. I have stopped by caldwells also but they dont have anything in my price range. Im really into this Jinma tractor as in seems the best bang for my buck. I really wanted this JD 850 I looked at yesterday but I felt it had too many hours on it. It also had turf tires which I didnt really want. If this Jinma/MTE is ok I might pick it up.
Harrygoodwrench
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Ebbtide, After taking a good look and even blowing the pic up for better view it certainly appears to be Jinma. Just all the general layout, underbody exhaust upgrade looks exactly like Jinma. The sideways hydraulic filter now available looks the same too. I could be wrong but do say it has a very strong resemblense to Jinma.
If you open hood, look to see if there is a tag on rocker cover. If it says China, Yangdong, etc with build date I think we narrowed it down. Especially if it shows a engine build date several years old.
If you open hood, look to see if there is a tag on rocker cover. If it says China, Yangdong, etc with build date I think we narrowed it down. Especially if it shows a engine build date several years old.
bluechip
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Greg,
Yes $ 6,000 is a little more in line, but the buyer will still have to wait and is still faced with customs and epa issues as they are the importer.
Seems there are some sellers of jinma tractors lately that just want to "broker" them (no follow up responsibility, just pay me and you get what I got) Not that that is bad so long as a buyer compares apple for apple. The $ 5500 deal you saw may be a crate deal or may be a "pay now and I'll order you one" deal.
I don't mean to disparage the crate brokers business model, it is the lowest cost way to get one of these tractors and for some it is the best way, I just want to help explain the price variance that has been seen.
It is not usually possible to get the rock bottom price and still expect support akin to the dealers who charge more.
The hood on the MTE JInma appears to be a new version, similar to the LE version.
Yes $ 6,000 is a little more in line, but the buyer will still have to wait and is still faced with customs and epa issues as they are the importer.
Seems there are some sellers of jinma tractors lately that just want to "broker" them (no follow up responsibility, just pay me and you get what I got) Not that that is bad so long as a buyer compares apple for apple. The $ 5500 deal you saw may be a crate deal or may be a "pay now and I'll order you one" deal.
I don't mean to disparage the crate brokers business model, it is the lowest cost way to get one of these tractors and for some it is the best way, I just want to help explain the price variance that has been seen.
It is not usually possible to get the rock bottom price and still expect support akin to the dealers who charge more.
The hood on the MTE JInma appears to be a new version, similar to the LE version.
