Gun and ammo question

[RSKY]

Now I'm sure someone smarter than me can chime in but I've seen repeated thing showing that 556 actually will travel through far-less barrier and air after the barrier than even a simple 9mm. I would be interested in seeing more things on YouTube and all where they see what the bullet does after it's gone through at two layers of drywall or something I see a lot where it shows how many things that can punch through but not what happens 10 feet after

5.56, 12 gauge, and 9mm vs drywall in slow motion - YouTube

There you go, ten walls and they both penetrate nine.

My 'home defense' shotgun has low recoil 00 or #4 buckshot stored on the side for this reason. Those rounds are for use outside if I ever have to dispatch another skunk or finally get a shot at one of the coyotes sniffing around. On the stock I have the slowest, lightest loaded #4 shot I could find as the actual 'home defense' load. At ten feet or less even the plastic wadding is gonna hurt and the lead will be so close it will penetrate. Hopefully the lighter shot will have a harder time penetrating drywall.

Here is a link I highly recommend anybody with a shotgun for defensive use look at. Actually, anybody that uses a shotgun for anything other than bird hunting could learn something from this. They test everything from #8 birdshot to 00 Buck to different types of shotgun slugs in ballistic gelatin. I do NOT want to ever be shot with a high powered slug. Heck I don't want to be shot with a low powered slug. Or be shot with bird shot. I really don't want to be shot with anything but the destruction caused by some of those slugs is just scary.

Shotgun Penetration With Various Rounds - The Truth About Guns

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[RSKY]

On a side note, I was in a boiler room today and found a little dead animal. We initially thought it was a chipmunk, but, on closer inspection, it was a little, dried up flying squirrel. It's only the 2nd one I've ever seen. The other was alive. Hate to think what a 12ga would do to that!

On the back side of my mother's farm is a small woods of about four to five acres. A small colony of flying squirrels live there and across the road an another property. NOBODY is allowed to hunt there except family and they all know if they shoot a flyer they will be banned from hunting anywhere on the property.

Several years ago Mom called me to help her move a dead tree that had fallen across the fence. As I grabbed onto the tree and started shoving a flyer ran out of a hole and across my arm and up the tree and glided away. Mom looked in the hole and saw some babies. That tree was never moved off the fence and I was banned from even walking back there for the rest of the summer.

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[RSKY]

Anybody wondering why I am posting so much it is because I can't do anything else. After some minor surgery I am limited to a ten pound limit for two more weeks. Therefore I bug everybody by being a know-it-all on TBN.

Back to the original question.

As to a good all around firearm, as others have said, you cannot beat a Ruger 10/22. Load it with CCI Quiet 22 and it is little louder than a pellet rifle. Load it with CCI Stingers or Velocitors and you can take out anything except deer.

That would be my choice if I had one rifle. In a SHTF situation you could carry much more ammo than anything else. And while not a tear-a-hole-in-em manstopper it would serve to discourage anybody thinking evil of you.

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[k0ua]

And while not a tear-a-hole-in-em manstopper it would serve to discourage anybody thinking evil of you.

Especially if you have a couple of 30 round mags taped together for a quick change. And if you want, put a red dot on it, and you have a very fast sight picture with a rifle with no recoil. Think about that. What does that mean? That means you can fire the rifle very rapidly, very accurately, and never lose your cheek weld or sight picture. It is the closest you can get to a bullet hose. Yeah it is "just a .22". But a .22 can do a lot of damage, and a lot of them in a hurry can do a "LOT" of damage. A couple of years ago when I was 61, I won a shooting competition where we had steel targets about the size of a head at 25 yards. My winning time was 2.52 seconds from safety on and port arms position to hitting all 5 targets as measured with a timer. That was a good as I can do, but I think (know) there are people that could do it in less than 2 seconds. That is 5 targets at 25 yards. I used my stock Ruger 10-22 with an old red dot on it.

 

[RSKY]

Especially if you have a couple of 30 round mags taped together for a quick change. And if you want, put a red dot on it, and you have a very fast sight picture with a rifle with no recoil. Think about that. What does that mean? That means you can fire the rifle very rapidly, very accurately, and never lose your cheek weld or sight picture. It is the closest you can get to a bullet hose. Yeah it is "just a .22". But a .22 can do a lot of damage, and a lot of them in a hurry can do a "LOT" of damage. A couple of years ago when I was 61, I won a shooting competition where we had steel targets about the size of a head at 25 yards. My winning time was 2.52 seconds from safety on and port arms position to hitting all 5 targets as measured with a timer. That was a good as I can do, but I think (know) there are people that could do it in less than 2 seconds. That is 5 targets at 25 yards. I used my stock Ruger 10-22 with an old red dot on it.

So are we going to start a GoFundMe account to buy him a 10/22?

 

[TheMan419]

Lol I don't need a go fund me for a 10/22, but if y'all are offering.....

No I think the difference between what Mrs and I are thinking is utility. We will need something other than a 9mm pistol to dispatch the raccoons or other small creatures that need dispatching. I was simply thinking if I could kill the proverbial two birds with one stone.

As for my living, it is rural. No other house within 1000 feet of me. I am on 18.2 acres. Mostly farm land around me.

The 556/223 rounds would be more for what I would think of as extended home defense. Not "the call is coming from in side the house" (that is what the 9mm is for). But more things not going well in society and need a bit more oomff to keep the baddies away.

Honestly if we get into the scenarios the prepers are thinking of I would need more than just one 556 and some canned goods are not going to cut it.

However if society falls somewhere in the middle having a bit more of a deterrent weapon will be nice.

Sounds like I need to make the case for BOTH a 22 and a 556... oh darn more guns to buy.

 

[mopardude318]

I don't own a 10/22, but I would like one...I dont know why I havent bought one yet. I like CZ bolt action .22's the best. I also like the .17HMR, I have 2, a CZ and a Savage 93R17. I also own a .17 WSM made by Franklin Armory (the F 17-L), I have a leupold VX-6 Firedot on it. I would love to own a 22 MAG, maybe I'll get me a Henry Golden Boy.. You can tell I am a rimfire guy.

For .223/5.56, I would definitely get a bolt action. Take a look at the CZ 527.

 

[TheMan419]

I don't own a 10/22, but I would like one...I dont know why I havent bought one yet. I like CZ bolt action .22's the best. I also like the .17HMR, I have 2, a CZ and a Savage 93R17. I also own a .17 WSM made by Franklin Armory (the F 17-L), I have a leupold VX-6 Firedot on it. I would love to own a 22 MAG, maybe I'll get me a Henry Golden Boy.. You can tell I am a rimfire guy.

For .223/5.56, I would definitely get a bolt action. Take a look at the CZ 527.

Why bolt action? Semi auto would obviously have a higher rate of fire if needed. Genuinely curious as to what would make bolt action superior as I had not considered that question.

 

[airbiscuit]

I don't own a 10/22, but I would like one...I dont know why I havent bought one yet. I like CZ bolt action .22's the best. I also like the .17HMR, I have 2, a CZ and a Savage 93R17. I also own a .17 WSM made by Franklin Armory (the F 17-L), I have a leupold VX-6 Firedot on it. I would love to own a 22 MAG, maybe I'll get me a Henry Golden Boy.. You can tell I am a rimfire guy.

For .223/5.56, I would definitely get a bolt action. Take a look at the CZ 527.

You buried the lead! Those Leupold Firedot Scopes are AMAZING. A small but bright red dot in the center of the reticle quickly draws your eye to the target. I have the VX R with the Firedot 4 reticle, and I love it.

 

[JRobyn]

I prefer a bolt action when the maximum in accuracy is needed. Like for deer hunting where one shot will likely be all you get, and it better be spot on. Or target shooting. But in a good-quality .22LR semi-auto, the very, very slightly (maybe) diminished accuracy is negligible. JMHO. And the ability for immediate followup shots with the auto-loader is an advantage. Especially on wiggly, snarling, tough to put down racoons.