Gun Show Bill not what it seems...

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Guess we better get our letters going to Washington again or lose our 2nd Amendment Rights...

Dr Dan

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GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY
Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.

The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.

I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering;

5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and

-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;

-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and

-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.

Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.

Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.

Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 • Phoenix, AZ 85032 • 602-996-4020 • alan@gunlaws.comhttp://www.gunlaws.com • "We publish the gun laws."
 
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Odd twist; Just after reading Dan's post and typing my last comment (I mean IMMEDIATELY after), I find myself watching "Politically Incorrect". The host and several guests are doing a hatchet job on any who oppose this 'common sense' McCain bill.

All spoke emphatically and authoritatively, at the same time their ignorance of the considerations mentioned in Dr. Dan's post was "glaring".

Undoubtedly a lot of uneducated (on THIS issue) viewers will be influenced by these "knowledgeable" celebrities.

Very disturbing to watch. 2nd amendment supporters described as "selfish" gun-lovers. Bush criticised for "catering" to the NRA, etc., by not-supporting the amendment.

This bill is definitely being "sold" as a mom-and-apple-pie effort to stop "bad" guys from easily getting guns through the so-called "loop-holes".

A typical remark:"Do you know people can buy 50 cal. rifles, and shoot-down airplanes from a mile away, with armour-piercing bullets?" (The rifles were magically transformed into "machine-guns" during the discussion, with no-one correcting the change.) No mention of any legitimate use of personally-owned firearms, ...just a snide dismissal of the idea of "protecting yourself" from a government as powerful as ours, with 2nd-amendment "bearing-of-arms".

I am increasingly afraid that this kind of ignorance re. the reasons for and importance of the 2nd Amendment is likely to cost this country dearly :-(

The media-assault is unrelenting. And no responsibility is felt to present a balanced view. A Knowledgeable and articulate spokesman FOR 2nd Amendment rights would have been drowned-out, or ignored, ...but of course, none were present.

Larry
 
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Dan.
I agree w/some of the Bill,but we have enough laws and should enforce the laws more that we have.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
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Commit a crime with a gun...mandatory 30 years in prison.

Kill someone while committing a crime with a gun...mandatory life in prison or death penalty...whichever way you lean.

When are we actually gonna see these gun control "WEENIES" feel less timid about punishing CRIMINALS and not law abiding citizens? Don't wanna make criminals feel bad you know!/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif One thing that Politically Incorrect program does show is that there are quite a few empty headed do gooders in Hollywood! I stopped watching it when I felt the need to put my foot through the screen!! Sorry, this is a hot button with me...and I don't even use guns.

Jeff

12 ga, 20 ga, 410 ga, 222, 357 magnum.....Have 'em, don't use em.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Jeff396 on 12/06/01 07:14 AM (server time).</FONT></P>
 
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I agree that the ones harming others should be the ones hammered. I think it goes back to the bully situation. If the bully thought he would be forcefully resisted he hunts someone who wont. I think the politicians are afraid the criminals will come after them. So much better to pick on the law abiding persons. JIM
 
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<font color=blue> ... and I don't even use guns.</font color=blue>

and then ...

<font color=blue>12 ga, 20 ga, 410 ga, 222, 357 magnum.....Have 'em, don't use em.</font color=blue>


Amusing! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Billboe
 
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Used to like to go to target ranges and to shoot a little skeet, but the people seem to be pretty sucessful at getting rid of those ranges once houses start going up. I actually inherited all but one of those. That one my dad bought for me with the thought I would get into hunting. Tried it, didn't care for it. I'm not a real woodsy person I guess. Hunting should be like golf....what's the point if it's not 80 degrees and sunny? My definition of fishing....drop unbaited hook in water and proceed to drink 12 pack./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif (not while on a boat)

Jeff
 
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Jeff...

Try Sporting Clays - It is great fun - Like Golf with a shotgun and you can shoot on the sunny warm days and the heck with the cold, wet killing days.

I am so glad that the majority of the replys have condemned this legislation. Of course the media will take the controversial side (Smash 2nd Amendment and the NRA). After all it sells beer! I think the Dem's would turn around their views if they had the backing of the NRA funds. They have crapped on the NRA so they don't. This battle all started when Clinton was elected for second term and the NRA money kept the Dem's out of Congress and we had a Repub Majority. Clinton swore to "get" the NRA and it is still going on at John Q Public's expense.

I just think there is too much BS. My gosh of course we can buy a 50 cal that is accurate at a mile, but really how many are swarming to the gunshop to buy one at $3000. Not me. Some of us just shoot for enjoyment and a challenge to get good. Same as any other sport. Now this is the majority of gun owners.

I agree the compensation that would really work is to make mandatory 20 years or more for a crime with a firearm and death for murder with a firearm. Need a real deterrant for such actions. It works... Just check on "Project Exile" results to prove it.

I used to be a registered Dem, but in the last 8 years I have learned to detest their sniveling BS and twists on the law.

Barf....

Dr Dan
 
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Them fine haired sunzabiches in Congress are doing a great job of sliding a lot of stink past the radar since 9/11.
They even added a section to the Defense Appropriation Bill for 2002 that will, on the whim of a bureaucrat, require surrender and destruction of everything from M-1 rifles to 2 1/2 ton trucks and all surplussed warbirds.
Bye Bye Confed Ari Force, B-17 and everything else. Naturally, they claim this ain't their intent, and naturally, I believe the politicians, NOT!
 

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