Gutless CK20?

darkviper · May 21, 2007

Massy

i have a CK 20 with about 356 hours on it. A few things. AS far as the steering issue. This is going to happen if you have a load on the front and are not moving. Never try to steer a tractor with a load on the FEL while the machine is still. Iv seen the same thing hapen on 80+ HP machines. When lifting with the 3Point Hitch. Make sure that you draft control is set to wide open. If it is closed some this will also cause it not to lift as good. AS for the tires not spining, trust me you will come to love this about the machine when in wet or soft soil as it will not break traction and then you are stuck cause it is spining. Do not fret the machine will get stronger after about 200 hours once the engine gets a chance to break in. I thought mine was weak at first. Now it breaks traction when it loads down hard unless i have a huge load behind it. The less you push on the pedal the more power you will have. The harder once it loads down the quicker the tractor will die down. There is a big difference between gear drive and HYdro. But once yu learn the dos and donts with the HYDRO you will not want anything else. Sorry if i have insulted you inteligence on any of this but i dont know what it is you now and dont

malk315 · May 21, 2007

I have a CK20HST w/ about 65 hours, original owner. I can't comment on 3 point stuff as I only have an adaptor for moving my 16' trailer around -- never an issue there except one time I forgot I was in high range trying to back the trailer up a bit of a grade. The 3 point arms have a small sleeve on each on my setup that operate rock shafts to pick up my MMM which is about 350-400 lbs -- so really no comparison to stuff hanging off the back. Never an issue there.

As far as loader work goes, I've moved 8 yards of loam, and 9 tons of 3/4" crushed stone from my paved driveway where the material was delivered to where I needed it to fill holes and make an approach to the new door on my shed I just installed so I can finally put the tractor in there now that winter is over

of course the goal was to get it in there for winter, not summer.

I have loaded turf tires. All of the work was done in 2wd as I didn't need the traction on the driveway. No spin, and really no major effort for the tractor to get into each pile. Just scoop and go. All low range.

I'm very good at making sure I'm moving when turning the wheel w/ loaded bucket -- I used to have a Toro Wheel horse 315 w/ kwik-way loader and no power steering, having power steering for loader work is nice. On a few occasions, my timing of turning the wheel a bit early before moving happened, and all I noticed was the wheels would keep up (seeing skid marks on driveway a bit) and the engine taking the load and working hard moving the wheels, but not the problem you describe. Perhaps turfs a little easier to skid on pavement or whatever than R4's or ags. I'm not sure how heavy the loads I was working with were, but I was able to take too big of a bite w/ the 3/4" stone when being in the bottom of the pile when the pile was still towards 9 tons. I just backed up an inch or two and the loader would muscle right through it.

If I get some 50lb bags of whatever (lime, plant stuff, etc), I'll do an experiment to see how many I can take before the loader stresses lifting it.

In my opinion, you have something that isn't right (I could be completely wrong, just reading story makes me thing something isn't right) -- are any TBN'ers nearby you? -- i.e. if you were near me I'd be happy to let you come by and get into my pile of extra loam just to see how mine compares...

Best of luck getting your issues resolved and be sure to let us know the outcome.

Massey1010 · May 21, 2007

I was not aware that you cannot turn the wheel on a tractor with PS if you are not moving. Doesn't seem right but if that's normal I can work around that limitation.

It sounds like the control valve for the 3Pt has an effect on how much you can lift? On my old tractor it only controlled the drop speed and had no affect on the amount of weight I could lift. I turned the valve down since the drop speed was too fast and jerky. I will open it up and see if that makes a difference.

Of course it is undesirable to spin the tires but I was surprised that mine wouldn't do that since it was empty. I could see it not doing that if the tires had ballast and I had a ballast box or other heavy implement on the 3pt.

Egon · May 21, 2007

To me something is not right. Not being familiar with the tractor I can't help in finding the solution.

JerryG · May 21, 2007

I can see the wheels not turning under certain situations, but it shouldn't be that way all the time. The relief valve can be turned up to give you more pressure. It wouldn't take but a couple of hundred pounds to make a lot of difference.

bountyhunter · May 21, 2007

Not any of the problems you are talking about with my CK30, however we haven't pushed either the FEL or 3pt anywhere close to their limits yet. The power steering works great with a full load of dirt in the FEL, but it is dry dirt and not pushing the weight limit.

Good luck what ever it is, but the suggestion of having the dealer out to show him what's going on sounds like a great idea.

wnymudd · May 22, 2007

Try this thread. It was just discussed at length in the Mahindra section. Sounds like the same type of problem.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra/93576-2015hst.html?highlight=pressure

LoganWildman · May 22, 2007

Talk to the dealer, something doesn't sound right to me.

CBB · May 23, 2007

I have the CK20 and the other day I was backing up a pond bank with a brush hog on. I still had traction (loaded tires) but not enough power to keep going up the steep embankment.

I thought that it really is a shame the CK20 did not have some more power. It does almost everything I want and is small enough to fit down the rows or my first answer would be buy a bigger tractor or if I had a gear tractor it would just keep backing until it stalled or tires slipped.

I wish there was an adjustment or make a modification where I could just give the CK20 about 5-8 more HP! Where are the "I want to supe up my tractor" mods? Then it would be perfect for my needs. I still rate it a 7.5 out of 10 and would buy it again--but only because I have not found any 8's, 9's or 10's out there!

Dmace · May 23, 2007

CBB said:
I wish there was an adjustment or make a modification where I could just give the CK20 about 5-8 more HP!

It is a diesel, so more hp is only a few psi of fuel pressure away. I don't think the limiting factor is hp though, I think it is the low relief valves. It would be nice to increase the limit of the hydro tranny. I would love to test a gear tractor vs a HST to see if it makes any difference.