Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place

   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #61  
My good neighbor the farmer sold off the rights of his 230+- acres of woodlands around his farmland near me to the state for $2.2 million dollars. I'm glad he did that too. Now I know there will never be a big developement in my big back yard. The land has stipulations that it will always be kept open for hunting, hiking etc. It is not about who gets the money. It's about keeping the land open for public use without development.
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #62  
I have a couple of non-related to each other observations and comments.

First, in the Kelo decision about eminent domain, the Supreme Court was interpreting the law under which the suit was filed. They ruled the way they did because that's how most of them understood the law in that place at that time. It is worth noting that they tempered the decision by more or less advising all entities that existing laws could be changed to prevent further taking of private property for resale on the premise of providing "public good" in the form of increased taxes, jobs, etc. Ohio and many other states are working to reform their laws to more specifically define the circumstances under which property may be taken.

Regarding population -- the U.S. currently has a negative birth to death ratio. We are producing kids at a smaller rate than people are dying. We are, however, seeing a large influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal, resulting in a population that is growing despite the low birth rate.

HOWEVER, the major cause for the destruction of open space is the growing tendency to want to claim title to a fairly large chunk of land which will not be farmed, just "improved" or domesticated in one way or another. Most efforts at controlling sprawl have to do with keeping the people and their yards, pavement, sewage, and so forth clustered near the towns and cities where the various services such as water and sewer, police and fire, etc. can be more efficiently provided. Such efforts are often brought by people who already have their own chunk of ground and want to keep the area around them free from further development.

There is a large number of people who currently own farms whose retirement plan has always been to sell the farm and use that money to live out their lives. When the time comes to quit farming, especially if the kids have seen that farming is an awful lot of work for relatively little income compared to many other careers, the place is sold to whomever is willing and able to pay the most for it. Most often, this is a developer instead of another farmer. You can't blame the farmer for taking the best price.

Surprizingly, quite a few lifetime farmers end their careers with less than a love for the place that represented unending hours of work for most of their time here on Earth. Not all landowners look at their land with love and respect. To many, it's just another investment to be sold when the time and price are right, no matter what the buyer plans to do with it.

Therein lies the conflict. The person moving out to the country has this romanticized idea that all the folks not living in the city feel about the land and open space as he does. He doesn't grasp the notion that some country people don't feel any emotional attachment to their land or their farming career and are therefore quite willing to sell to the highest bidder or do whatever will generate the biggest short term profit, regardless of what happens to the land.

How many of you hate the appearance of cell towers? Yet, if you could rent the cell company a couple of acres for $1500 per month for the next 30 years or so, would you turn it down because you don't like the towers sticking up and ruining the horizon and night sky?
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #63  
Timber said:
Well I am an environmentalist myself. I'm not exactly thrilled with the loss of wetlands myself.

It's alright. The mosquitos and ticks will find somewhere else to breed, you can count on it.

Jay
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #64  
Jstpssng said:
I do have one request though... please don't use the names "Paris Hilton" and "Rosie O'Donnell" in the same sentence. :<)
RHW

Or in any sentence - separately or collectively... I'm trying to eat lunch here!
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #65  
Rich, while it might seem like a romantic notion, the real country folk I know are passionate about their land. They grieve over the glow on the horizon at night from the new and enourmous truck stop up on the interstate. They find the blinking and sometimes blinding lights on the new micro-wave relay towers to diminsh the aesthetic of their nighttime landscape. They worry about why new, beefier power lines and poles were recently run down the nearby state highway or why in their infinite wisdom the county spent countless dollars in one of the poorest counties in the US to run reflecters down the centerline of their barely paved 1 1/2 lane county road that gets no through traffic. And yet, and this is important, none of them are really questioning the property rights of those putting in truck stops, power lines, industrial sites etc.

They do worry, and worry a lot, that some local, state or federal law is going to tell them their cows can't poop in the creek or that they can't move the cows down the road to the next pasture or that they can't use turkey poop for fertilizer or that someone is going to require their cows to wear radio frequency ID tags....oh wait, too late for that one. They believe strongly enough to die for the principles this country was founded on and yet they remain legitimately suspicious of their current government.

The majority of the people in this nation do not have the remotest idea of the limited nature our government was intended to have. They understand our history and our country only in the context of what it has become since folks like FDR and Huey Long and that context is socialism. Hem and haw all you wish but the New Deal was and is pure socialism. And like a frog in a pot of water on the stove, we do not even notice the temperature change and won't until it is too late.

For all the smug 'your land is my land' folks out there who see our government as some giant benevolent Land of Oz, you are historically challenged. There has never been a government in the history of mankind that could be trusted. Ever. We can love our country without loving our government and the relationship between the people and the government should always be a tense one with the people holding on to the power, not the government.

Someone above said to go out and vote. Well, that's a quaint little notion. We have a two party system with incumbents easily winning by virtue of their lock on monumental amounts of campaign finance. The electoral college waters down and makes a popular vote meaningless. Term limits, which one pole showed 90% of the US population in favor of are never even discussed by those who represent us. And after all that, an overly active, overly powerful Supreme Court has assumed the role of policy maker. So save you 'get out and vote' sentimentality for third grade civics classes.

Can I get an amen?
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #66  
N80 said:
The majority of the people in this nation do not have the remotest idea of the limited nature our government was intended to have. .

Can I get an amen?

Amen and well said in just one line. I suggest we go back to Congress only working 6 months a year (and get paid for only 6 months) and then work at a real job for the other 6 months. Naive I know.
Bob
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #67  
Amen and right on N80!
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #68  
JimR said:
My good neighbor the farmer sold off the rights of his 230+- acres of woodlands around his farmland near me to the state for $2.2 million dollars. I'm glad he did that too. Now I know there will never be a big developement in my big back yard. The land has stipulations that it will always be kept open for hunting, hiking etc. It is not about who gets the money. It's about keeping the land open for public use without development.

I can understand that if the land could be developed. The land here that was paid for is under 10 feet of water when the river floods every few years. I doubt anyone would want to fill in all of that in this area. Chicago, yeah. I doubt any normal citizen could have got the 1 mil. Everyone around here is upset with this guy for many reasons but he runs unopposed.
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #69  
N80 said:
The majority of the people in this nation do not have the remotest idea of the limited nature our government was intended to have. They understand our history and our country only in the context of what it has become since folks like FDR and Huey Long and that context is socialism.
For all the smug 'your land is my land' folks out there who see our government as some giant benevolent Land of Oz, you are historically challenged. There has never been a government in the history of mankind that could be trusted. Ever. We can love our country without loving our government and the relationship between the people and the government should always be a tense one with the people holding on to the power, not the government.

Someone above said to go out and vote. Well, that's a quaint little notion. We have a two party system with incumbents easily winning by virtue of their lock on monumental amounts of campaign finance. The electoral college waters down and makes a popular vote meaningless. Term limits, which one pole showed 90% of the US population in favor of are never even discussed by those who represent us. And after all that, an overly active, overly powerful Supreme Court has assumed the role of policy maker. So save you 'get out and vote' sentimentality for third grade civics classes.

Can I get an amen?


AMEN!!!
 
   / Had the Wetlands Engineer out to the place #70  
mike69440 said:
If owned and managed the way Europeans take care of their forests and farms, the quality of NH rural life-styles can be maintained for a long time.
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