Chains Had to put the front chains on

[Toddao]

Have studded chains and the backhoe on ,and was trying to up this slight hill in the back yard. The hill is on an angle sloping away from where I wanted to go, I thought it would be not problem, but in 4wd the front end was just starting to slide down hill and not in a direction I wanted or needed to go!. I stopped backed up and put the 2 link twist chains for the fronts on. Tried again it it was much better, I think the tractor is just not heavy enough at times,. You can see my tracks in the pics

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[grsthegreat]

Yup, i started using front chains 3 years ago

 

[Ed of all trades]

You might have been able to do it if you did not have the backhoe on. But it is a tough job anyway.

 

[WilliamBos]

Remove the bavkhoe, just too heavy to keep on all the time.

 

[Pixguy]

I had to take my BH off the first winter because it was much too heavy to go up any hills going forward, although I have a steep paved drive. I then built a cement drum and that is even very heavy but much better.

Aren't you guys worried about front chains in 4wd?

 

[Piston]

Aren't you guys worried about front chains in 4wd?

I've been wanting to add front chains to my tractor lately, and I really don't see the problem in it, as long as your mindful of when you use 4wd (only when you need it) and 2wd. However, I'll be following along as I'm interested in what others have to say as well.

I have rear chains, and I find (especially on the steep hills we have here in the lakes region!) that my front tires are really not that helpful in many situations. I find I have to use my steering brakes often in certain circumstances, and, since I have an older Kubota, where for some reason they thought it was a good idea to put the steering brakes on the right, it's really not too convenient. (I won't get started on how stupid Kubota is for doing this )

 

[irvingj]

Ditto what others have said, Toddao. I also have a steep (uphill from the house) paved driveway.

Although the BH is great for traction, I found the steering close to totally unresponsive going uphill. Finally tried it without the BH, and --voila! Works much better now, and also easier to maneuver in tight spaces. You should try it. It made a heck of a difference for me, and I have unloaded turf tires. ijk

 

[Danny C]

In general, TLBs of any size aren't great for snow removal and going up hill in slippery conditions as the backhoe provides too much ballast over the rear and are generally in the way. Adding ballast to the front end of the tractor frame will help as will swinging the boom to one side or the other. You can also try siping your tires for better traction. See the attached thread: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/snow-removal/193438-cutting-groving-siping-r-4-a-5.html

 

[irvingj]

OK, so now it's my turn. I have a good 10" + of very wet, heavy snow; it's been raining lightly for the last several hours… and I can't get all the way up my driveway.

The blower did surprisingly well on the lower, flat sections, but now I'm trying to figure out how to put chains on. I'll get it, eventually, but right now my fingers are pretty numb. Back at it after a warm-up. Glad I at least have chains to put on, at least.

 

[Thomas]

Since front loader remove for down pressure,try jacking the front end up just enough slide chains under...lot quicker.

 

[ray66v]

You did not mention which tires you have. Turfs, are actually the best choice for this.

As Irving said, the backhoe is excellent ballast, except when you want to go up hill. With it off, you will have more weight on the front. So, the problem is greatly reduced.

Running chains on the front, in 4wd, should be done carefully. Only use 4wd, where the wheels can slip freely. Never on dry pavement.

I keep telling everyone, move to the flat land. None of this is an issue down here. :confused3:

 

[irvingj]

Well, I figured out how to put the rear chains on. Also discovered the chains I got for the front (from the dealer, a number of years ago) are way too big, totally wrong size.

Fortunately, I was able to get the blowing done with the chains on only the rear. There have been times when I could have used them, but that's the first time I've ever needed them. Very sloppy snow!

 

[Pixguy]

Well, I figured out how to put the rear chains on. Also discovered the chains I got for the front (from the dealer, a number of years ago) are way too big, totally wrong size. Fortunately, I was able to get the blowing done with the chains on only the rear. There have been times when I could have used them, but that's the first time I've ever needed them. Very sloppy snow! <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/massey-ferguson-owning-operating/402090-had-put-front-chains-dsc05518-jpg"/><img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/massey-ferguson-owning-operating/402091-had-put-front-chains-dsc05516-jpg"/><img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/massey-ferguson-owning-operating/402092-had-put-front-chains-dsc05515-jpg"/>

Those are some mean rear chains there Irv, they don't wreak havoc on your blacktop?

 

[Toddao]

I was in the backyard on the grass, covered in snow. That is were the sliding sideways happen. I may try it with the backhoe off, and put on the rear blade. I have chains very similar to those in the picture , and can go up in 2 wheel drive I need chains on the front to help steer, also on,y using 4wd when needed

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[irvingj]

Pixguy-- yeah, they sure would tear up the blacktop IF it were exposed. Hard to tell in the photo, but although it looks to be just slushy, my driveway currently has about an inch of somewhat soft ice all over it. But yes, as soon as the driveway's clear they'll come off, for sure. Those chains also had an added benefit in that they rough up the ice very nicely, leaving a nice chewed-up surface rather than a slick one.

Todd, really-- if you remove the backhoe, you'll be amazed at the improvement in steering response. The first chains I bought (more on those later) were for the fronts because I was having so much trouble. I never did put them on, and was able to muddle through by making one pass up the middle, centered on the crown so it wouldn't drift, and doing the rest going downhill, if I was dealing with slippery conditions. The next year, I removed the BH, and never needed chains at all until yesterday. Did need to use the 4WD most times, but hey- that's what it's for.

Speaking of chains:

Would anyone like to buy the ones that were supposed to be for my fronts? My front tires are 18x850x10, and the chains that were sold to me --identical pattern as the ones in the pic above ("diamond studded"), made in Norway-- are for much larger tires.

I'll post a pic of the label, showing applicable sizes. Chains have never been out of the box, and are in new condition. As near as I can figure, a similar set would go for around $120, and I need to purchase a set for my fronts. If anyone has a use for them, make an offer! I'll also include another shot of the chains on my rear tires, which are the same style.

PS: For those interested: as far as I know, "Tellefsdal Kjetting" translates roughly to "All-Purpose Chains."

ijk

 

[ray66v]

Tellefsdal Kjetting actually seems to be a brand name.

 

[irvingj]

That's what I thought, Ray, but I guess I was too busy looking up chains; you're right, as usual!

I see where they are a Norwegian company with a branch in Sweden as well:

Tellefsdal AS - Forside
TELLEFSDAL AB "VÄLKOMMEN TILL TELLEFSDAL!" Now that I can understand.

Looks like they're into snowplows, snowblowers (PLOGAR OG SNÖSLUNGOR) as well as a bunch of other stuff.

 

[ray66v]

That's what I thought, Ray, but I guess I was too busy looking up chains; you're right, as usual!

Yeah, well tell my wife that.

 

[irvingj]

:laughing::laughing: No way, Ray!! Got enough keeping my own sweetie happy! :laughing:

 

[boggen]

taking backhoe off huh? only way i can get backup the hill, if i slide down the wrong hill. and that is becoming an octopus, and operating FEL, backhoe, steering brakes, and throttle all at the same time.

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as far as getting up hills, try driving backwards up them. if ya leave the back hoe on that is. granted tread is wrong direction, but "weight" of the rear may prove better.

though if ya have option to take backhoe off for access to 3pt hitch, i would say do that, and put on a rear blade. or like for some counter weight (need some weight on rear when working FEL and moving snow).