I always thought it would be a good idea to recruit these people and put them to work for the good guys! How about we have them track down the terrorist's websites and e-mail and knock them right off the internet. As soon as they take care of that we can have them take the spammers out!
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Had Your Dose of Klez Today? I HOPE Not!
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patrickg
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GOLFGAR Always but always practice SAFE COMPUTING! I too have Norton System Works, and it seems to do a good job. I especially like the automatic online virus updates. Otherwise virus software gets obsolete so fast. You need the constant updates. I let it scan my outgoing mail as well just to be sure I don't do a "typhoid Mary" like you did.
I can recall when "hacker" was a good thing to be recognized as but like so many other terms it gets ruined by the rush to use new terminology enjoyed by the press and a fair number of common folk who also misuse terms till their communicative content is destroyed or the term is essentially redefined.
Patrick
I can recall when "hacker" was a good thing to be recognized as but like so many other terms it gets ruined by the rush to use new terminology enjoyed by the press and a fair number of common folk who also misuse terms till their communicative content is destroyed or the term is essentially redefined.
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<font color=blue>"Always but always practice SAFE COMPUTING!"</font color=blue>
Patrick, I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, I thought I was practicing safe computing./w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif My biggest mistake was that I didn't periodically check what my anti-virus software was doing (or not doing)! I think that when we changed ISP's, our anti-virus didn't get brought along or updated. I guess I should've asked them about some Firewalls, etc, but I didn't. /w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif
And yes, now I scan everything. Incoming and outgoing!
As far as a being a "hacker", I realized a short while after posting this that I'm certainly NOT a hacker, other than on the golf course! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif For me, you could replace the word "hacker" with the word "Dufus"! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
Patrick, I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, I thought I was practicing safe computing./w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif My biggest mistake was that I didn't periodically check what my anti-virus software was doing (or not doing)! I think that when we changed ISP's, our anti-virus didn't get brought along or updated. I guess I should've asked them about some Firewalls, etc, but I didn't. /w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif
And yes, now I scan everything. Incoming and outgoing!
As far as a being a "hacker", I realized a short while after posting this that I'm certainly NOT a hacker, other than on the golf course! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif For me, you could replace the word "hacker" with the word "Dufus"! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
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Kevin, they do recruit them - some of the highest paid computer security specialsist are hackers. I have a friend that works freelance in that field. He was not a hacker, but has had to "become" one. He has a great deal of fun trying all day to penetrate his company's sites, and he gets to "run with" the "pro" malicious guys.
I challenged him once to hack me, I use zonealarm in **** retentive mode. I gave him all but the last 4 digit of my IP, he could not get in...
But as Steve Gibson says, "just becasue I can't do it (hack you) today, does not mean I can't do it tomorrow." Stay up to date. I have my av set to auto update, but I check once or twice a day. I have not skipped/missed an update in over a year.
Dob
I challenged him once to hack me, I use zonealarm in **** retentive mode. I gave him all but the last 4 digit of my IP, he could not get in...
But as Steve Gibson says, "just becasue I can't do it (hack you) today, does not mean I can't do it tomorrow." Stay up to date. I have my av set to auto update, but I check once or twice a day. I have not skipped/missed an update in over a year.
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Re: Had Your Dose of ?
Well I am a fool then, or I got fooled. I had Norton Anti-Virus running, and updating. Somewhere along the line (I faintly recall loading some software that requested I shut down any anti-virus protection to load properly) I didn't have the protection, and managed to get the virus. The virus disabled the Norton program, such that I couldn't run it and had to buy a new copy. Then the list of guru type things that have to be done to successfully (maybe that is impossible) remove the virus is another headache. I still get several e-mails a day that are suspect and have a file attached, which I delete and remove from my trash bin. For a couple months my provider was sending me an e-mail two to three times a day saying they had caught a file with a virus and they deleted it. If I wanted more information, then I was to not reply to this message, but instead I was to open a site attached. Turns out this was not the provider, but the virus sending this message. And if the site was opened, the virus was in.
I've considered buying a computer just for internet connection, so only that computer could be trashed with a virus. As it was, many unrelated programs were wiped out and had to be reloaded.
So I fit the 'fool' designation. Hopefully I won't be a fool anymore (but I doubt that I won't be one doing something else).
Well I am a fool then, or I got fooled. I had Norton Anti-Virus running, and updating. Somewhere along the line (I faintly recall loading some software that requested I shut down any anti-virus protection to load properly) I didn't have the protection, and managed to get the virus. The virus disabled the Norton program, such that I couldn't run it and had to buy a new copy. Then the list of guru type things that have to be done to successfully (maybe that is impossible) remove the virus is another headache. I still get several e-mails a day that are suspect and have a file attached, which I delete and remove from my trash bin. For a couple months my provider was sending me an e-mail two to three times a day saying they had caught a file with a virus and they deleted it. If I wanted more information, then I was to not reply to this message, but instead I was to open a site attached. Turns out this was not the provider, but the virus sending this message. And if the site was opened, the virus was in.
I've considered buying a computer just for internet connection, so only that computer could be trashed with a virus. As it was, many unrelated programs were wiped out and had to be reloaded.
So I fit the 'fool' designation. Hopefully I won't be a fool anymore (but I doubt that I won't be one doing something else).
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Golfgar, I have the greatest respect for folks who let a good walk be spoiled by fussing with a little ball over and over and over and have the intestinal fortitude to continue. I think golf rates right up there just under sailing (the art of slowly going nowhere at great expense while getting violently ill). I have lots of pastures to stroll in with no danger of being hit by an errant ball but you do have to pay more attention to your footing to avoid stepping in something unpleasant.
I don't know if I am OVERINSURED but I pay my ISP $1 a month to filter viruses in my incoming traffic and I run my computer as if I had no ISP protection. I use Norton anti-virus coming and going as well as most of the other Norton utils just trying to keep this evil minion of Bill Gates from totally wasting my time and electricity.
Why couldn't the world have done something sane, ignored big blue, selected a rational OS (UNIX) and a superior microprocessor architecture (Motorola 68K) and made life so wonderful, rational, straight forward? For all the "just regular folks" in need of good GUI there is LINUX or equivalent to wrap around UNIX so you don't have to grep, awk, or sed.
Oh well, back to reality and not being able to print out designs from my architecture design software.
Patrick
I don't know if I am OVERINSURED but I pay my ISP $1 a month to filter viruses in my incoming traffic and I run my computer as if I had no ISP protection. I use Norton anti-virus coming and going as well as most of the other Norton utils just trying to keep this evil minion of Bill Gates from totally wasting my time and electricity.
Why couldn't the world have done something sane, ignored big blue, selected a rational OS (UNIX) and a superior microprocessor architecture (Motorola 68K) and made life so wonderful, rational, straight forward? For all the "just regular folks" in need of good GUI there is LINUX or equivalent to wrap around UNIX so you don't have to grep, awk, or sed.
Oh well, back to reality and not being able to print out designs from my architecture design software.
Patrick
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<font color=blue>"I have the greatest respect for folks who let a good walk be spoiled by fussing with a little ball over and over and over and have the intestinal fortitude to continue."</font color=blue>
/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif That's a GREAT comment Patrick! Did you hear about the Japanese fellow that came here on business for 6 months? His American co-workers wanted to show him all aspects of American life, so one day they took him golfing. That evening, he was writing a letter to his wife. He said, "They have the strangest game here. They hit a little ball all around a big field with a metal stick. They call the game Oh S_ _ _ !" /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
After this lesson with this virus, I have now got similar insurance through my ISP. and I know what you mean about these operating systems. I don't need to know how to do everything - heck, I bought the doggone thing to do EVERYTHING for me! In fact, I don't want to know everything. Just let me turn it on, visit the sites I want to visit, write the letters I want to write, etc., etc.
And today, just before I left the office, we recieved a message from IT warning that a <font color=red>NEW</font color=red> virus had just been discovered on Monday. I think the name was Bearman/Tenemal (or something like that). It's supposed to be a nasty one that gets in and steals all of your passwords and then starts sending some realy nasty stuff. I checked our Norton updates, and we're supposedly up to date with everything. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif We'll see.
/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif That's a GREAT comment Patrick! Did you hear about the Japanese fellow that came here on business for 6 months? His American co-workers wanted to show him all aspects of American life, so one day they took him golfing. That evening, he was writing a letter to his wife. He said, "They have the strangest game here. They hit a little ball all around a big field with a metal stick. They call the game Oh S_ _ _ !" /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
After this lesson with this virus, I have now got similar insurance through my ISP. and I know what you mean about these operating systems. I don't need to know how to do everything - heck, I bought the doggone thing to do EVERYTHING for me! In fact, I don't want to know everything. Just let me turn it on, visit the sites I want to visit, write the letters I want to write, etc., etc.
And today, just before I left the office, we recieved a message from IT warning that a <font color=red>NEW</font color=red> virus had just been discovered on Monday. I think the name was Bearman/Tenemal (or something like that). It's supposed to be a nasty one that gets in and steals all of your passwords and then starts sending some realy nasty stuff. I checked our Norton updates, and we're supposedly up to date with everything. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif We'll see.
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Had a neat one at work yesterday - Bugbear@mm. We're running Norton Corporate edition which includes desktop client software, server software, a management console, and protection for Exchange. We also have an smtp proxy on our firewall that strips certain types of attachments regardless if they're infected or not. The one thing that we have very little control over is web-based e-mail. One of our laptop users connected to Hotmail and opened up an attachment. Really fun - it sent a binary file to all of our networked printers, wasting about 20 lbs of paper.